Message Number: 760
From: "Lisa Hsu" <hsul Æ eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:53:39 -0400
Subject: Re: sex difference: the color pink
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At least when I was a little kid, there was no pink/blue paradigm in
Taiwan.   There are no pictures of me in anything pink (and there are a LOT
of pictures of me).  Since there was no protocol for color to obviate gender 
confusion, I was often mistaken for a boy because I was huge, extremely
chubby, and swarthy, while my cousin (a boy), who was small, fair, and
delicate was often mistaken for a girl.  When it was time for me to get
dressed up, I wore a little Chinese pantsuit, all gold (a culturally
preferred color, as is red).

Of course, 25 years of Western influence may have changed the lack of
protocol and infused the pink/blue idea - but I wouldn't know since I don't
live there anymore.  If they do dress their girls in pink and boys in blue,
it's probably a new thing.

However, they have hung onto at least this - girls should eschew red when
going to a Chinese wedding - it's like wearing white here.  Red, the
ultimate lucky color, is for brides.

Lisa

On 8/28/07, Eva Revesz	 wrote:
>
>
> How does testing Chinese women on their favorite color prove that color
> preference is biologically determined?  If that's all this study has to go 
> by in the nature vs. nurture argument regarding color preference, than
> that's pretty scant.
> I have no idea whether the Chinese dress their baby girls in pink and
> their
> baby boys in blue -- and this study doesn't even tell us either -- but the 
> mere fact that the entire Western world does is enough these days to argue 
> for an influence of our culture on theirs, hegemonic as it has become.
> Very weak argument here, if you ask me.
> Trixie
>
>
>
>
> >From: "bethany soule"  
> >To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu
> >Subject: sex difference: the color pink
> >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:13:00 -0400
> >
> >(from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820120720.htm)
> >
> >Girls Prefer Pink, Or At Least A Redder Shade Of Blue
> >
> >Science Daily   A study in Current Biology reports some of the first
> >conclusive evidence in support of the long-held notion that men and
> >women differ when it comes to their favorite colors. Indeed, the
> >researchers found that women really do prefer pink--or at least a
> >redder shade of blue--than men do.
> >
> >"Although we expected to find sex differences, we were surprised at
> >how robust they were, given the simplicity of our test," said Anya
> >Hurlbert of Newcastle University, UK. In the test, young adult men and
> >women were asked to select, as rapidly as possible, their preferred
> >color from each of a series of paired, colored rectangles.
> >
> >The universal favorite color for all people appears to be blue, they
> >found. "On top of that, females have a preference for the red end of
> >the red-green axis, and this shifts their color preference slightly
> >away from blue towards red, which tends to make pinks and lilacs the
> >most preferred colors in comparison with others," she said.
> >
> >Overall, the differences between men and women were clear enough that
> >the seasoned researchers can now usually predict the sex of a
> >participant based on their favorite-color profile.
> >
> >To begin to address whether sex differences in color preference depend
> >more on biology or culture, the researchers tested a small group of
> >Chinese people amongst the other 171 British Caucasian study
> >participants. The results among the Chinese were similar, Hurlbert
> >said, strengthening the idea that the sex differences might be
> >biological. The explanation might go back to humans' hunter-gatherer
> >days, when women--the primary gatherers--would have benefited from an
> >ability to key in on ripe, red fruits.
> >
> >"Evolution may have driven females to prefer reddish colors--reddish
> >fruits, healthy, reddish faces," Hurlbert said. "Culture may exploit
> >and compound this natural female preference."
> >
> >She said another way to separate "nature versus nurture" when it comes
> >to favorite colors will be to test the preferences of infants. The
> >researchers have plans to modify the color-choice test for use in
> >young babies and hope to have some answers on that front soon.
> >
> >About the universal preference for blue, "I can only speculate," said
> >Hurlbert. "I would favor evolutionary arguments again here. Going back
> >to our 'savannah' days, we would have a natural preference for a clear
> >blue sky, because it signaled good weather. Clear blue also signals a
> >good water source."
> >
> >The researchers include Anya C. Hurlbert and Yazhu Ling of Newcastle
> >Univesity in Newcastle upon Tyne,UK.
> >
> >Hurlbert and Ling: "Biological components of sex differences in colour
> >preference." Publishing in Current Biology, 21 August 2007, R623-625.
>
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At least when I was a little kid, there was no pink/blue paradigm in Taiwan .  
There are no pictures of me in anything pink (and there are a  LOT of pictures
of me).  Since there was no protocol for color to obviate  gender confusion, I
was often mistaken for a boy because I was huge, extremely  chubby, and
swarthy, while my cousin (a boy), who was small, fair,	and delicate was often
mistaken for a girl.  When it was time for me to  get dressed up, I wore a
little Chinese pantsuit, all gold (a culturally  preferred color, as is red).
  Of course, 25 years of Western influence may have changed the lack of 
protocol and infused the pink/blue idea - but I wouldn t know since I  don t
live there anymore.  If they do dress their girls in pink and  boys in blue, it
s probably a new thing.
  However, they have hung onto at least this - girls should eschew red	when
going to a Chinese wedding - it s like wearing white here.   Red, the ultimate
lucky color, is for brides.  Lisa    
On 8/28/07,  Eva Revesz  < erevesz Æ hotmail.com > wrote:  
 How does testing Chinese women on their favorite color prove that color 
preference is biologically determined?	If that s all this  study has to go by
in the nature vs. nurture argument regarding color preference , than
 that s pretty scant. I have no idea whether the Chinese dress their  baby
girls in pink and their baby boys in blue -- and this study doesn  t even tell
us either -- but the mere fact that the entire Western	world does is enough
these days to argue
 for an influence of our culture on theirs, hegemonic as it has become. Very
weak argument here, if you ask me. Trixie     > ;From: "bethany soule" < 
bsoule Æ gmail.com > >To:  improvetheworld Æ umich.edu 
>Subject: sex difference: the color	pink >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007
23:13:00 -0400 > >(from: 
 http ://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820120720.htm ) >
>Girls Prefer Pink, Or At Least A Redder Shade Of Blue > >Science 
Daily	A study in Current Biology reports some of the first
 >conclusive evidence in support of the long-held notion that men and 
>women differ when it comes to their favorite colors. Indeed, the
>researchers found that women really do prefer pink--or at least a 
>redder shade of blue--than men do. > >"Although we expected  to find
sex differences, we were surprised at >how robust they were , given the
simplicity of our test," said Anya >Hurlbert of Newcastle  University, UK.
In the test, young adult men and
 >women were asked to select, as rapidly as possible, their preferred 
>color from each of a series of paired, colored rectangles. > >The
universal favorite color for all people appears to be blue, they
 >found. "On top of that, females have a preference for the red end	of
>the red-green axis, and this shifts their color preference slightly 
>away from blue towards red, which tends to make pinks and lilacs  the
 >most preferred colors in comparison with others," she said. >
>Overall, the differences between men and women were clear enough  that
>the seasoned researchers can now usually predict the sex of a 
 >participant based on their favorite-color profile. > >To  begin to
address whether sex differences in color preference depend > ;more on biology
or culture, the researchers tested a small group of 
>Chinese people amongst the other 171 British Caucasian study
>participants . The results among the Chinese were similar, Hurlbert
>said , strengthening the idea that the sex differences might be
>biological . The explanation might go back to humans  hunter-gatherer
 >days, when women--the primary gatherers--would have benefited from an 
>ability to key in on ripe, red fruits. > >"Evolution	may have driven
females to prefer reddish colors--reddish >fruits , healthy, reddish faces,"
Hurlbert said. "Culture may exploit
 >and compound this natural female preference." > >She  said another
way to separate "nature versus nurture" when it comes  >to favorite colors
will be to test the preferences of infants. The 
 >researchers have plans to modify the color-choice test for use in
>young babies and hope to have some answers on that front soon. > ;
>About the universal preference for blue, "I can only speculate ," said
 >Hurlbert. "I would favor evolutionary arguments again here. Going	back
>to our  savannah  days, we would have a natural preference	for a clear
>blue sky, because it signaled good weather. Clear  blue also signals a
 >good water source." > >The researchers include Anya	C. Hurlbert and
Yazhu Ling of Newcastle >Univesity in Newcastle upon  Tyne,UK. >
>Hurlbert and Ling: "Biological components of  sex differences in colour
 >preference." Publishing in Current Biology, 21 August 2007, R6 -625. 
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