X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- lisashoe Æ gmail.com Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l7SDsMnd032557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:54:22 -0400 Received: from madman.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.14.134]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SDrp3u023337; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:53:51 -0400 Received: FROM nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) BY madman.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46D428E4.1DA7D.11919 ; 28 Aug 2007 09:53:40 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f1so1307354nzc for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kdh48ELx+p9L8F2ZRsQrkck5O+H6lMGmIKv6CRXNoy3XYozG2+FrZZUutrzaDWlugpuoOBinnkPtBl6hACRiRsMY00QuhpCcLuQoFmoCfTF0FvjvQ5c/sU4oxLwJD2j/KWh1T91OrHrVykMR17Fa09gt1QsSn1ic13AOvU3f5iA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pxdk13gWcz/LxyOcArzp828GxzAiK9MigGXbwj5lUFMNI4AFH21HvnzEIX9enLtFvQyIN2LH2Kz61hW071D5D3MJCK3sm4NJ0IJ9nuW7U6GvA3o1Qi/SqNoCHO91oa7bIIKSws9rO7HTKV/jvdOgFOb2AZsn2jptReS9x+Hg1Jg= Received: by 10.141.159.13 with SMTP id l13mr3410978rvo.1188309219071; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.169.14 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3580670708280653yd72fcfar1369cf43eb007f88 Æ mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98274_7514944.1188309219030" References: <5ed707a10708272013x61fd009dqb253f4b6a8d50417 Æ mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0036e9def2e2339e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.2 (2007-07-23) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:53:39 -0400 To: "Eva Revesz" Cc: bsoule Æ gmail.com, improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: "Lisa Hsu" Subject: Re: sex difference: the color pink ------=_Part_98274_7514944.1188309219030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline At least when I was a little kid, there was no pink/blue paradigm in Taiwan. There are no pictures of me in anything pink (and there are a LOT of pictures of me). Since there was no protocol for color to obviate gende= r confusion, I was often mistaken for a boy because I was huge, extremely chubby, and swarthy, while my cousin (a boy), who was small, fair, and delicate was often mistaken for a girl. When it was time for me to get dressed up, I wore a little Chinese pantsuit, all gold (a culturally preferred color, as is red). Of course, 25 years of Western influence may have changed the lack of protocol and infused the pink/blue idea - but I wouldn't know since I don't live there anymore. If they do dress their girls in pink and boys in blue, it's probably a new thing. However, they have hung onto at least this - girls should eschew red when going to a Chinese wedding - it's like wearing white here. Red, the ultimate lucky color, is for brides. Lisa On 8/28/07, Eva Revesz wrote: > > > How does testing Chinese women on their favorite color prove that color > preference is biologically determined? If that's all this study has to g= o > by in the nature vs. nurture argument regarding color preference, than > that's pretty scant. > I have no idea whether the Chinese dress their baby girls in pink and > their > baby boys in blue -- and this study doesn't even tell us either -- but th= e > mere fact that the entire Western world does is enough these days to argu= e > for an influence of our culture on theirs, hegemonic as it has become. > Very weak argument here, if you ask me. > Trixie > > > > > >From: "bethany soule" > >To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu > >Subject: sex difference: the color pink > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:13:00 -0400 > > > >(from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820120720.htm) > > > >Girls Prefer Pink, Or At Least A Redder Shade Of Blue > > > >Science Daily =97 A study in Current Biology reports some of the first > >conclusive evidence in support of the long-held notion that men and > >women differ when it comes to their favorite colors. Indeed, the > >researchers found that women really do prefer pink--or at least a > >redder shade of blue--than men do. > > > >"Although we expected to find sex differences, we were surprised at > >how robust they were, given the simplicity of our test," said Anya > >Hurlbert of Newcastle University, UK. In the test, young adult men and > >women were asked to select, as rapidly as possible, their preferred > >color from each of a series of paired, colored rectangles. > > > >The universal favorite color for all people appears to be blue, they > >found. "On top of that, females have a preference for the red end of > >the red-green axis, and this shifts their color preference slightly > >away from blue towards red, which tends to make pinks and lilacs the > >most preferred colors in comparison with others," she said. > > > >Overall, the differences between men and women were clear enough that > >the seasoned researchers can now usually predict the sex of a > >participant based on their favorite-color profile. > > > >To begin to address whether sex differences in color preference depend > >more on biology or culture, the researchers tested a small group of > >Chinese people amongst the other 171 British Caucasian study > >participants. The results among the Chinese were similar, Hurlbert > >said, strengthening the idea that the sex differences might be > >biological. The explanation might go back to humans' hunter-gatherer > >days, when women--the primary gatherers--would have benefited from an > >ability to key in on ripe, red fruits. > > > >"Evolution may have driven females to prefer reddish colors--reddish > >fruits, healthy, reddish faces," Hurlbert said. "Culture may exploit > >and compound this natural female preference." > > > >She said another way to separate "nature versus nurture" when it comes > >to favorite colors will be to test the preferences of infants. The > >researchers have plans to modify the color-choice test for use in > >young babies and hope to have some answers on that front soon. > > > >About the universal preference for blue, "I can only speculate," said > >Hurlbert. "I would favor evolutionary arguments again here. Going back > >to our 'savannah' days, we would have a natural preference for a clear > >blue sky, because it signaled good weather. Clear blue also signals a > >good water source." > > > >The researchers include Anya C. Hurlbert and Yazhu Ling of Newcastle > >Univesity in Newcastle upon Tyne,UK. > > > >Hurlbert and Ling: "Biological components of sex differences in colour > >preference." Publishing in Current Biology, 21 August 2007, R623-625. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Messenger Caf=E9 =97 open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served > daily. > Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline > > ------=_Part_98274_7514944.1188309219030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline At least when I was a little kid, there was no pink/blue paradigm in Taiwan= .   There are no pictures of me in anything pink (and there are a= LOT of pictures of me).  Since there was no protocol for color to obv= iate gender confusion, I was often mistaken for a boy because I was huge, e= xtremely chubby, and swarthy, while my cousin (a boy), who was small, fair,= and delicate was often mistaken for a girl.  When it was time for me = to get dressed up, I wore a little Chinese pantsuit, all gold (a culturally= preferred color, as is red).

Of course, 25 years of Western influence may have changed the lack = of protocol and infused the pink/blue idea - but I wouldn't know since = I don't live there anymore.  If they do dress their girls in pink = and boys in blue, it's probably a new thing.

However, they have hung onto at least this - girls should eschew re= d when going to a Chinese wedding - it's like wearing white here. = Red, the ultimate lucky color, is for brides.

Lisa

On 8/28/07, Eva Revesz <erevesz Æ hotmail.com> wrote:
How does testing Chinese women on their favorite color prove that color=
preference is biologically determined?  If that's all thi= s study has to go
by in the nature vs. nurture argument regarding color = preference, than
that's pretty scant.
I have no idea whether the Chinese dress th= eir baby girls in pink and their
baby boys in blue -- and this study doe= sn't even tell us either -- but the
mere fact that the entire Wester= n world does is enough these days to argue
for an influence of our culture on theirs, hegemonic as it has become.<= br>Very weak argument here, if you ask me.
Trixie




>= ;From: "bethany soule" < bsoule Æ gmail.com>
>To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu
>Subject: sex difference: the col= or pink
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:13:00 -0400
>
>(from:= =20 h= ttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820120720.htm)
>>Girls Prefer Pink, Or At Least A Redder Shade Of Blue
>
>= Science Daily =97 A study in Current Biology reports some of the first
>conclusive evidence in support of the long-held notion that men and=
>women differ when it comes to their favorite colors. Indeed, the>researchers found that women really do prefer pink--or at least a
>redder shade of blue--than men do.
>
>"Although we exp= ected to find sex differences, we were surprised at
>how robust they = were, given the simplicity of our test," said Anya
>Hurlbert of = Newcastle University, UK. In the test, young adult men and
>women were asked to select, as rapidly as possible, their preferred=
>color from each of a series of paired, colored rectangles.
><= br>>The universal favorite color for all people appears to be blue, they
>found. "On top of that, females have a preference for the red = end of
>the red-green axis, and this shifts their color preference sl= ightly
>away from blue towards red, which tends to make pinks and lil= acs the
>most preferred colors in comparison with others," she said.>
>Overall, the differences between men and women were clear enou= gh that
>the seasoned researchers can now usually predict the sex of = a
>participant based on their favorite-color profile.
>
>T= o begin to address whether sex differences in color preference depend
&g= t;more on biology or culture, the researchers tested a small group of
>Chinese people amongst the other 171 British Caucasian study
>par= ticipants. The results among the Chinese were similar, Hurlbert
>said= , strengthening the idea that the sex differences might be
>biologica= l. The explanation might go back to humans' hunter-gatherer
>days, when women--the primary gatherers--would have benefited from = an
>ability to key in on ripe, red fruits.
>
>"Evolu= tion may have driven females to prefer reddish colors--reddish
>fruit= s, healthy, reddish faces," Hurlbert said. "Culture may exploit
>and compound this natural female preference."
>
>S= he said another way to separate "nature versus nurture" when it c= omes
>to favorite colors will be to test the preferences of infants. = The
>researchers have plans to modify the color-choice test for use in>young babies and hope to have some answers on that front soon.
>= ;
>About the universal preference for blue, "I can only speculat= e," said
>Hurlbert. "I would favor evolutionary arguments again here. Go= ing back
>to our 'savannah' days, we would have a natural pre= ference for a clear
>blue sky, because it signaled good weather. Clea= r blue also signals a
>good water source."
>
>The researchers include Any= a C. Hurlbert and Yazhu Ling of Newcastle
>Univesity in Newcastle upo= n Tyne,UK.
>
>Hurlbert and Ling: "Biological components of= sex differences in colour
>preference." Publishing in Current Biology, 21 August 2007, R6= 23-625.

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