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> 3. (This is in response to Lisa's comment). I really don't see why it has
> to be black and white: either you are a feminist or you are a misogynist.
> It is not objective reality that women are oppressed, even if there is
> compelling evidence to that effect. Furthermore, we may well disagree on
> the means, and feminism, among other things, is a political movement. This 
> is why my choice was "depends". I rarely make black and white
> distinctions. They just don't make sense to me...



i suppose this is a disagreement on level of abstraction. i don't think of
feminism as a political movement. i mean, there are elements of
politicalness to it, but at heart, i just think a feminist is just someone
who is essentially a humanist. someone who thinks all people are people
first, and equal under the eyes of god, if you believe in god. there are
other kinds of feminists i suppose, who battle specifically in the war
between men and women, but i'm more of the "by feminism, i mean a feminist
thinks a woman is as much a person as a man. by corollary, all races are as
much people as any other race, and any distinctions you might make between
people does not ever make them any less human."

which is why, painted in this light, i believe you can either be a feminist
or a misogynist. it has nothing to do with methods or means in my mind, it's 
just a basic belief system.

lisa

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  3. (This is in  response to Lisa's comment). I really don't see why it has to
be black  and white: either you are a feminist or you are a misogynist.
 It is not objective reality that women are oppressed, even if there is
compelling evidence to that effect. Furthermore, we may well disagree on  the
means, and feminism, among other things, is a political movement. This 
 is why my choice was "depends". I rarely make black and white	distinctions.
They just don't make sense to me...   
 
i suppose this is a disagreement on level of abstraction.  i don't
think of feminism as a political movement.  i mean, there are
elements of politicalness to it, but at heart, i just think a feminist
is just someone who is essentially a humanist.	someone who thinks
all people are people first, and equal under the eyes of god, if you
believe in god.  there are other kinds of feminists i suppose, who
battle specifically in the war between men and women, but i'm more of
the "by feminism, i mean a feminist thinks a woman is as much a person
as a man.  by corollary, all races are as much people as any other
race, and any distinctions you might make between people does not ever
make them any less human."   
 
which is why, painted in this light, i believe you can either be a
feminist or a misogynist.  it has nothing to do with methods or
means in my mind, it's just a basic belief system. 
 
lisa 
    

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