Message Number: 184
From: Lisa Hsu <lisashoe Æ gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:16:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Fw: Social Security
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somehow, that just seemed very fishy and so i googled "congress pension" and 
this is what i got:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa031200a.htm
and
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp

it just seemed a little impossible.


on another note - in my search for something else, i came across this, which 
makes me cheerful (ha):

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=3DbiJRJ8OVF&b=3D509697



On 10/4/05, Kevin Lochner   wrote:
>
>
> just a little something to provoke govt irritation . . .
>
> -----
>
>
> WHY WAIT UNTIL 2008? THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2006. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN
> FIRMLY STATING THAT YOU WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY POLITICIAN, REGARDLESS OF THE 
> OTHER ISSUES, IF HE DOES NOT SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION .
> THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE STANDING FOR ELECTION IN 2006.
>
>
> LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE
> INTERNET. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYONE 
> IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.
>
>
> IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
>
> KEEP IT GOING!!!!
>
> 2008 Election Issue!!
>
> GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
>
>
> This must be an issue in "2008" Please! Keep it going.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> SOCIAL SECURITY:
>
> Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.
>
> Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of
> course, they do not collect from it.
>
> You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their
> rare elevation in society.They felt they should have a special plan  /SPAN>
for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their "own" benefit 
> plan.
>
> In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it.
> After all, it is a great plan.
>
> For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
> When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
>
> Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..
>
> For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect 
> to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand
> Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
> their lives.
>
> This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two
> Dignitaries.
>
>
> Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more
> during the rest of their lives.
>
> Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....
>
> This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick 
> up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come
> directly from the General Funds;
>
> "OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!
>
> From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid)
> into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our
> employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after
> retirement.
> Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly 
> benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal "Senator" Bill Bradley's
> benefits!
>
>
>
>
> Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
>
> That change would be to:
>
>
> Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and
> Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
>
>
> then sit back.....
>
>
> and see how fast they would fix it!
>
> If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted
> and maybe good changes will evolve.
>
> How many people
> CAN you send this to?
>
> Better yet.....
>
>
> How many people WILL you send this to ?
>
>
> Never give up, even when the odds are stacked against you and you feel
> that
> there is no hope. You can never have "No" or "Can't" or "Won't" in your
> heart,
> better yet, keep it out of your vocabulary. Have faith in yourself, even
> when
> no one else seems to, and when your faith is lacking, remember those that
> have faith in you no matter what.
>
> - David A. McNally -
>
>
>

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somehow, that just seemed very fishy and so i googled "congress pension " and
this is what i got: 
 
 http://usgovinfo .about.com/library/weekly/aa031200a.htm  
and 
 http://www.snopes .com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp  
 
it just seemed a little impossible. 
 
 
on another note - in my search for something else, i came across this, which 
makes me cheerful (ha): 
 
 http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=3DbiJRJ8OVF&b =3D509697  
 
    On 10/4/05,  Kevin Lochner	< klochner  Æ eecs.umich.edu >
wrote:	
 just a little something to provoke govt irritation . . .  -----   WHY
WAIT UNTIL 2008?   THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2006. ARE YOU
INTERESTED IN  FIRMLY STATING THAT YOU WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY
POLITICIAN, REGARDLESS OF THE OTHER ISSUES, IF HE DOES NOT SPONSOR AND
SUPPORT THE  FOLLOWING LEGISLATION. THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE
STANDING FOR ELECTION IN 2006.	 LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN
WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET.   ;LET
ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYONE IN YOUR
ADDRESS BOOK.	  IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN  OR DEMOCRAT!    KEEP
IT GOING!!!!	2008  Election Issue!!	  GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL
POLITICIANS  ON SOC. SEC.     This must be an issue in "20 " Please! Keep it
going.
    ----------------------------------	  SOCIAL  SECURITY:    Perhaps we are
asking the wrong questions  during election years.    Our Senators and
Congresswomen do  not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not
collect from it .
    You
see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their
rare elevation in society.They felt they should have a special plan<
/SPAN> for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their "own" ;
benefit plan.	 In more recent years, no congressperson has  felt the need to
change it. After all, it is a great plan.     ;For all practical purposes
their plan works like this:   When  they retire, they continue to draw the same
pay until they die.
    Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living  adjustments.. 
  For
example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect
to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand
Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
their lives.	This is calculated on an average life span for	each of those
two Dignitaries.     Younger Dignitaries  who retire at an early age, will
receive much more during the rest of their  lives.  
  Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....    This
little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick
up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come
directly from the General Funds;    "OUR TAX DOLLARS AT  WORK"!    From
our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid)
into,	-   every payday until we retire (which
amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of
$1,000 per month after retirement.   Or, in other words,
we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68
years and one (1) month to equal "Senator" Bill Bradley's benefits !	  
Social Security could be very good if only  one small change were made.    That
change would be to:	Jerk
the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and
Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us     
then sit back.....     and see how fast  they would fix it!    If enough people
receive this, maybe  a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes
will evolve.
    How many people   CAN you send this to?    Better yet.....	   How many
people WILL  you send this to ?     Never give up, even when the odds  are
stacked against you and you feel that 
  there is no hope. You can never have "No" or "Can 't" or "Won't" in your
heart,	 better yet, keep  it out of your vocabulary. Have faith in yourself,
even when    ;no one else seems to, and when your faith is lacking,
remember those that  have faith in you no matter what.
    - David A. McNally -      

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