X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHY_WAIT autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.0 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j94LH7BN016094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:17:08 -0400 Received: from galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu (galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.145]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j94LH6a7016524; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:17:06 -0400 Received: FROM xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) BY galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4342F132.223C9.25309 ; 4 Oct 2005 17:16:34 -0400 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t13so8537wxc for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EBYtF+knmFp77sHTc8/qw3UCUfdqLQc61LYChQdjnyjofuZ60wfJGyD8vWEKFB5a7l2xmWhCNIaDm0YjVuwV6t7ZLGbmmImIYJiXgAuDq9BpEyh84rqYkkpZkOxBF+n2HKDn89qmyPHFtxlTnPgzIaqI+b6VTvV2ulxswtg0RsQ= Received: by 10.70.90.19 with SMTP id n19mr22447wxb; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3580670510041416n60a6fc38y2772b1a1411318cb Æ mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: Lisa Hsu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_431_23313176.1128460593954" References: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:16:33 -0400 To: Kevin Lochner Cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Lisa Hsu Subject: Re: Fw: Social Security Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 ------=_Part_431_23313176.1128460593954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline somehow, that just seemed very fishy and so i googled "congress pension" an= d this is what i got: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa031200a.htm and http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp it just seemed a little impossible. on another note - in my search for something else, i came across this, whic= h makes me cheerful (ha): http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=3DbiJRJ8OVF&b=3D509697 On 10/4/05, Kevin Lochner wrote: > > > just a little something to provoke govt irritation . . . > > ----- > > > WHY WAIT UNTIL 2008? THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2006. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN > FIRMLY STATING THAT YOU WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY POLITICIAN, REGARDLESS OF T= HE > OTHER ISSUES, IF HE DOES NOT SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATIO= N. > THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE STANDING FOR ELECTION IN 2006. > > > LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE > INTERNET. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYON= E > IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. > > > IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT! > > KEEP IT GOING!!!! > > 2008 Election Issue!! > > GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC. > > > This must be an issue in "2008" Please! Keep it going. > > ---------------------------------- > > SOCIAL SECURITY: > > Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. > > Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of > course, they do not collect from it. > > You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their > rare elevation in society.They felt they should have a special plan< > /SPAN> for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their "own" benef= it > plan. > > In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. > After all, it is a great plan. > > For all practical purposes their plan works like this: > When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. > > Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. > > For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expec= t > to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand > Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of > their lives. > > This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two > Dignitaries. > > > Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more > during the rest of their lives. > > Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH.... > > This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pic= k > up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come > directly from the General Funds; > > "OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"! > > From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) > into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our > employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after > retirement. > Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthl= y > benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal "Senator" Bill Bradley's > benefits! > > > > > Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. > > That change would be to: > > > Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and > Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us > > > then sit back..... > > > and see how fast they would fix it! > > If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted > and maybe good changes will evolve. > > How many people > CAN you send this to? > > Better yet..... > > > How many people WILL you send this to ? > > > Never give up, even when the odds are stacked against you and you feel > that > there is no hope. You can never have "No" or "Can't" or "Won't" in your > heart, > better yet, keep it out of your vocabulary. Have faith in yourself, even > when > no one else seems to, and when your faith is lacking, remember those that > have faith in you no matter what. > > - David A. McNally - > > > ------=_Part_431_23313176.1128460593954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline somehow, that just seemed very fishy and so i googled "congress pensio= n" and this is what i got:

http://= usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa031200a.htm
and
http://www.sn= opes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp

it just seemed a little impossible.


on another note - in my search for something else, i came across this, whic= h makes me cheerful (ha):

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=3DbiJRJ8OVF&b= =3D509697



On 10/4/05, Kevin Lochner <kl= ochner Æ eecs.umich.edu> wrote:

just a little something to provoke govt irritation . . .

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WHY WAIT UNTIL 2008?   THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2006. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN  FIRMLY STATING THAT YOU WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY POLITICIAN, REGARDLESS OF THE OTHER ISSUES, IF HE DOES NOT SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THE  FOLLOWING LEGISLATION. THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE STANDING FOR ELECTION IN 2006.


LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET. &nb= sp;LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.


  IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICA= N OR DEMOCRAT!

  KEEP IT GOING!!!!

  2008= Election Issue!!

  GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITI= CIANS ON SOC. SEC.


  This must be an issue in "20= 08" Please! Keep it going.

  ----------------------------------

  S= OCIAL SECURITY:

  Perhaps we are asking the wrong question= s during election years.

  Our Senators and Congresswomen = do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it= .

  You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society.They felt they should have a special plan< /SPAN> for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their "own&= quot; benefit plan.

  In more recent years, no congressperson ha= s felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.

 &= nbsp;For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
  = When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.

  Except it may increase from time to time for cost of li= ving adjustments..

  For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.

  This is calculated on an average life span = for each of those two Dignitaries.


  Younger Dignitari= es who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of th= eir lives.

  Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....<= br>
  This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

  "OUR TAX DOLLARS A= T WORK"!

  From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,   -   every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.
  Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal "Senator" Bill Bradley's benefit= s!




  Social Security could be very good if onl= y one small change were made.

  That change would be to:

  Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
=

  then sit back.....


  and see how f= ast they would fix it!

  If enough people receive this, ma= ybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.

  How many people
  CAN you send this to?
  Better yet.....


  How many people WIL= L you send this to ?


  Never give up, even when the od= ds are stacked against you and you feel that
  there is no hope. You can never have "No" or "Ca= n't" or "Won't" in your heart,
  better yet, ke= ep it out of your vocabulary. Have faith in yourself, even when
 &n= bsp;no one else seems to, and when your faith is lacking, remember those th= at have faith in you no matter what.

  - David A. McNally -



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