- Record of my phone conversation with Mr. Dan O'Donnell,
- Secretary of the IBM Corporation,
- August 22, 2000
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- The 8-22-00 call involved me and Dan O'Donnell and an attorney
present in Dan's office. Mr. O'Donnell referred to me as "Prof.
Conway". I called him "Dan".
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- O'Donnell referred to my original letter, and to some initial
confusion about the dates - since it was dated March 22, but
relayed to Lou Gerstner much later, Lou had originally wondered
if it had gotten stalled within IBM. We sorted that all out as
a non-problem.
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- O'Donnell then focused immediately on "the three points"
near the end of my letter (see above):
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- 1. The issue of declassification of my IBM-ACS archives:
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- O'Donnell said "IBM would grant me a worldwide
license to distribute my ACS archives for scholarly purposes
as long as the disclaimer was included indicating that the documents
had been declassified by IBM - - ".
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- I thanked him for that.
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- 2. The issue of support for the historical reconstruction
of the ACS project:
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- O'Donnell said that IBM was going to support an internal
effort to document and reconstruct the ACS project, and that
it would be led by Ed Sussenguth.
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- I immediately said that such an effort was unlikely to be
seen as a serious scholarly effort by outsiders, and that it
would be ever so much more useful to support outside groups like
CBI and TCHM to do that. I didn't go into details of why Ed was
an incredibly poor choice for this task. (Ed became a key member
of the group that had killed-off the ACS-1 project, becoming
manager of the ACS/360 architecture team. Ed also was one of
the authors of the IBM patent which included portions of my DIS
invention but which didn't reference my contributions or internal
publications re DIS).
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- Dan showed strong signals of resistance to my reaction -
indeed, a certain stiffness - he clearly didn't like my immediate,
assertive suggestion that their plan was not a good one. I guess
he wasn't used to having people question his decisions.
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- 3. The issue of IBM expressing regrets over their past
actions:
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- This was the most important part of our interaction and the
only truly serious issue to be covered.
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- O'Donnell said that "IBM had agonized over this one
- - ".
- [I wondered what he meant by that (and I still wonder)].
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- Then O'Donnell said that
- "The IBM he'd always known was a wonderful company that
always treated people very fairly - - ".
- [Hmm. This sounded like he thought that IBM hadn't fired
me. Or perhaps he thought that I was fired "fairly"].
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- I asked him: "Do you mean that you doubt that they fired
me?"
- O'Donnell said, "no - it's just that we don't have any
records that that happened".
I said "well, I have very detailed records, and there are
plenty of witnesses to what happened - that can all easily be
confirmed - so do you really doubt that it happened the way I
said it did?"
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- He paused - and then said "Prof. Conway, WE'VE decided
that the best thing to do" - - pause -
- "is to put this all behind us and just go forward from
here - - "
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- I was absolutely stunned at this statement!
It was almost unbelievable that he could dismiss me so cavalierly
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- I thought: Best for who? Sure, it's best for IBM - they don't
take any responsibility for anything that way. But what about
me? They're saying, hey, what's past is past - let's forget about
it and move on.
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- Sure, THEY'd like to forget about it, just like all criminals
would like to forget about their crimes.
- But I can't forget about it! Especially now that they're
brushing me off this way!
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- So, I said something like "well of course YOU'D like
to move forward, and put it behind - - "
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- I then asked again if he could "at least see if we can
get IBM to support OUTSIDE groups on reconstructing
- the ACS history - at least that way the full accomplishments
of the team might be recognized in the long term - let's be sure
to do that".
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- He did not reply to that,and the conversation was over.
- All I was left with were O'Donnell's words ringing in my
ears:
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- "Prof. Conway, we've decided that the best thing
to do" - - pause -
- "is to put this all behind us and just go forward
from here - - "
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