are we making it illegal to lie?  Repulsive - yes, illegal - ?

Can we jail bush for lying about his fiscal policies from a position of 
authority?

- kevin

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Daniel Reeves wrote:

> I disagree strongly with Trixie's take below.  The principle of free speech 
> is more important.  Just because it was a wise move *in this case* does not 
> mean we want governments to have that kind of control over us.
>
> This reminds me, again, of fundamentalist Christians in the US who want to 
> remove the separation of church and state because they happen to be the 
> majority.
>
> The principles of freedom of speech and freedom of religion need to be 
> defended not just when it suits you.	They need to be defended on principle.
>
> Danny
>
> --- \/   FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:32 (Today)   \/ ---
>
>> I disagree, Danny! I think it was just! Can't have people in positions
>> of authority blatantly distorting history like that. That makes it sound
>> like the holocaust is a debatable issue. After all, the guy's a history
>> professor! I applaud the Austrian courts for being so bold to shut this
>> guy	up and for forcing him to recant his atrocious position. This is
>> especially important in coutnries like  Austria, which has long been in
>> a silent mode of denial regarding its collaboration with the Nazis. I
>> thought it was an important and very positive landmark decision. You
>> simply can't have such assholes with doctor titles making holocaust
>> denial sound legitimate. Allowing him to continue his teaching career
>> would have been a miscarriage of justice to me.
>> 
>> Feel free to post this on your "Improve the World" list. Curious to see
>> how the others react -- including you.
>> Love,
>> Trixie.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> Daniel Reeves    >>>
>> thanks Trixie!
>> 
>> and, yes, absolutely unjust.  You can't jail people for being stupid,
>> wrong, or even assholes.  You just reminded me to finish sending
>> something
>> on that topic.  did you get it?
>> 
>> --- \/   FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:09 (Today)	\/ ---
>> 
>>> Danny,
>>> Wow! Your time (4th overall) is really impressive!
>>> Congratuations to you and your entire team!!!!
>>> Love,
>>> Trixie
>>> P.S. Sorry if I came off as dismissive regarding the cartoon issue and
>>> hope you haven't taken me off your	"Improve the World" list. What did
>>> you think about the British prof. who was sentenced to 3 years jail in
>>> Austria for denying the holocaust? Blatant miscarriage of justice
>>> because it so clearly violates freedom of speech?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Daniel Reeves	>>>
>>> A team's top 5 times count for the team competition and Ann Arbor
>>> Ascension won it!  My time wasn't supposed to count for the team since
>> I
>>> 
>>> did the elite climb (coming in 4th overall) but my 2nd time up (with
>>> Nate
>>> Binkert's spot) counted.  All our results are below.  Congratulations
>> to
>>> 
>>> this year's fastest Ann Arbor female climber, Bethany Soule!  She
>>> trained
>>> hard this year and took close to 3 minutes off her time from last year
>>> and
>>> she was no slouch then. Rebecca Csomos was mere seconds behind her
>> this
>>> year. Next year should be very exciting with Melanie back (she holds
>> the
>>> 
>>> Ann Arbor female course record and is having a baby in May!) and Erica
>>> O'Connor (Ann Arbor's top inline skater) and Rebecca and Rachel Rose
>>> (whose record is very close to Melanie's) all potential favorites.
>>> 
>>> My dad, per tradition, turned in an impressive time despite injury
>>> (completely torn ACL -- surgery March 8th!).  Maybe it's because it
>> was
>>> his birthday.. :)
>>> 
>>> Huge thanks to everyone for racing and fundraising! Hustle up the
>>> Hancock
>>> was obviously an enormous success for us this year.  And this year
>> alone
>>> 
>>> we've raised $5464 for the American Lung Association (and counting)!
>>>   http://www.hustle2006.kintera.org/a3
>>>	(donations accepted for I think another a week or so)
>>>
>>>  In other news, if you register for the Athens to Atlanta ultra skate
>>>  marathon by tomorrow, it's only $50 and you have the option of
>>> changing
>>>  your distance (38, 52, 87 miles) up to the day of the event, Oct 1st.
>>>   http://www.a2a.net/
>>>  Bethany and Kapoo and my dad and I are all signing up together now.
>>>  Brian Renaud and others have already signed up.
>>>   Other skating events:
>>>	http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/wb/skatecal
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ann Arbor Ascension's Hustle up the Hancock 2006 Results:
>>> 
>>> Place Name			  Num Ag S City,St	Div/Tot  Time
>>> A3place
>>>	4 Danny Reeves		    9 30 M Ann Arbor MI 3/452	10:45	1
>>>    11 Matthew Wolpert	  858 29 M Portland OR	3/302	11:33	2
>>>    19 Kevin Lochner 	  856 28 M Ann Arbor MI 5/302	12:00	3
>>>    21 Kelly Sparks		  870 33 M Peoria IL	9/452	12:10	4
>>>    22 Danny Reeves (2)	  842 30 M Ann Arbor MI 6/302	12:19
>>>    44 Mike Honnold		  854 26 M Peoria IL	10/302	13:13	5
>>>    91 Bill Rand		  864 30 M Chicago IL	33/452	14:04	6
>>>   F33 Bethany Soule 	  869 24 F Ann Arbor MI 11/369	15:32	7
>>> F1
>>>   234 Michael Weis		  851			47/302	15:33	8
>>>   248 Martin Reeves 	  865 52 M Peoria IL	16/160	15:39	9
>>>   F35 Rebecca Csomos	  847 26 F Ann Arbor MI 12/369	15:39  10
>>> F2
>>>   273 Mikey Lerman		  840	   Dearborn MI	57/302	15:51  11
>>>   420 Kate Lockwood's Friend? 850			94/302	16:50  12
>>>   460 Danny Reeves (3)	  852 30 M Ann Arbor MI 	16:59
>>>   476 Mikey Lerman (2)	  841	   Dearborn MI		17:03
>>>   481 Chris Davis		  848 30 M Ann Arbor MI 136/452 17:04  13
>>>   F96 Bethany Soule (2)	  845 24 F Ann Arbor MI  33/369 17:09
>>>   522 Dave Morris		  862 32 M Ann Arbor MI 147/452 17:15  14
>>>  F119 Rachel Rose		  868 23 F Ann Arbor MI  42/369 17:35  15
>>> F3
>>>   602 Chris Kiekintveld	  872	 M Ann Arbor MI 	17:43  16
>>>   612 Mark Carpenter	  844 44 M WhiteLake MI 124/360 17:45  17
>>>   681 Brian Healey		  849	 M			18:05  18
>>>   867 Ian Moore		  861 29 M Ann Arbor MI 163/302 18:57  19
>>>  1162 Kevin Holt		  853 29 M Ann Arbor MI 190/302 20:21  20
>>>  F358 Kate Lockwood 	  857 28 F Ann Arbor MI 128/369 20:35  21
>>> F4
>>>  F443 Chris (Kapoo) Kapusky   855 27 F Ann Arbor MI 162/369 21:45  22
>>> F5
>>>  F515 Rosie McGinnis	  860 17 F Ann Arbor MI  16/39	22:31  23
>>> F6
>>>  1696 Steven Reeves 	  866 20 M Peoria IL	242/302 23:51  24
>>>  F810 Erin Evans		  871 17 F Atlanta GA	295/369 27:35  25
>>> F7
>>>  F866 Laurie Reeves 	  867 50 F Ann Arbor MI  41/58	29:15  26
>>> F8
>>>  F880 Mary Bricklin 	  843 18 F Ann Arbor MI  31/39	29:40  27
>>> F9
>>>  F882 Monica Christy	  846 23 F Peoria IL	320/369 29:43  28
>>> F10
>>> 
>>> Who are these people from Ann Arbor but not on Ann Arbor Ascension??
>>>   195 Kneisel Mark		 2408 39 M Ann Arbor	MI  66/452
>> 15:15
>>>   437 Douglas Kremer	 2134 23 M Ann Arbor	MI  96/302
>> 16:54
>>>	  Lisa Scheiman 	 2409 45 F Ann Arbor	MI  18/227
>> 17:07
>>>	  Jill Branam		 2872 22 F Ann Arbor	MI  261/36
>> 25:05
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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>
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