Message Number: 663
From: Laurie Reeves <laurie.reeves Æ yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Grandpa Andrew's Reflections on Marriage
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Yes, and would the hat be able to detect the lightining fast re-defining of
words and concepts that a person is capable of if lying is not a good option at
the moment or if they want to avoid the uncomfortable/guilty feeling that they
are lying.  In other words, a thought process such as: "Well, yes I love you if
what you mean by love is..."  and a quick re-definition to the rescue.	And
this is not even necessarily negative or unethical.  The point I'm making, I
guess, is that the hat is useless when we ourselves don't even know what we
mean by love or whether we feel it, do it, think it, or whatever, and when our
definition of it can change in an instant because it's difficult to pinpoint or
descibe in all of its physical and psychological nuances.  So, like Dave first
said, love is felt and works differently for different people and I would add
that it works differently for the same person at different times, or even
different moments, especially if one is asked to
 declare "Do you or do you not love me?"  Not such an easy question to answer
given all the nuances and descriptions of the word "love," which varies within
and between people and has innumerable variables influencing the answer at any
given moment or place in time.	And how true, Dave, that people assume it works
the same for them as for their counterpart.  But the hat idea is a fun one,
isn't it?  

Dave Morris   wrote:  I believe, and think that I have seen, that many people
feel love very 
differently, and that it can work quite differently for different 
people, both in what is required to maintain it, and in whether they 
can feel it for more than one person at a time. Quite a few problems in 
relationships arise because of this fact, because one partner may 
assume that love works the same way for their counterpart as for 
themselves, and thus misinterpret their actions- mistrust their 
emotions.

Recent studies are beginning to detect what scientists believe are 
electromagnetic signs of that "in love" feeling in the brain, which is 
apparently differentiable from lust and other emotions. But this is 
just beginning, it will be some time before they can draw general 
conclusions and explore the full range of possibility of human emotion. 
And there's a frightening though- what if your partner could put a 
hat on you and ask you if you are "in love" with them and the computer 
would tell them whether or not you're lying. Or maybe would that be a 
good thing? Hmmm.

Dave



On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

>> the pysiological condition of being "in love" is only possible with 
>> one person at a time. If you can't relate to what I'm talking about, 
>> then you've never really been in love.
>
> So judgmental! I think second guessing people's emotions is a bad 
> idea.
>
> -- 
> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves"
>
> Irrationality is the square root of all evil.
>
>
>
David P. Morris, PhD
Operations Manager and Senior Engineer
ElectroDynamic Applications, Inc.
morris Æ edapplications.com, (734) 786-1434, fax: (734) 786-3235



 
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Yes, and would the hat be able to detect the lightining fast re-defining of
words and concepts that a person is capable of if lying is not a good option at
the moment or if they want to avoid the uncomfortable/guilty feeling that they
are lying.  In other words, a thought process such as: "Well, yes I love you if
what you mean by love is..."  and a quick re-definition to the rescue.	And
this is not even necessarily negative or unethical.  The point I'm making, I
guess, is that the hat is useless when we ourselves don't even know what we
mean by love or whether we feel it, do it, think it, or whatever, and when our
definition of it can change in an instant because it's difficult to pinpoint or
descibe in all of its physical and psychological nuances.  So, like Dave first
said, love is felt and works differently for different people and I would add
that it works differently for the same person at different times, or even
different moments,
 especially if one is asked to declare "Do you or do you not love me?"	Not
such an easy question to answer given all the nuances and descriptions of the
word "love," which varies within and between people and has innumerable
variables influencing the answer at any given moment or place in time.	And how
true, Dave, that people assume it works the same for them as for their
counterpart.  But the hat idea is a fun one, isn't it?	    Dave Morris
<thecat Æ umich.edu>   wrote:   I believe, and think that I have
seen, that many people feel love very  differently, and that it can work quite
differently for different  people, both in what is required to maintain it, and
in whether they  can feel it for more than one person at a time. Quite a few
problems in  relationships arise because of this fact, because one partner may
  assume that love works the same way for their counterpart as for  themselves,
and thus misinterpret their actions- mistrust their  emotions.	Recent studies
are beginning to detect what scientists believe are  electromagnetic signs of
that "in love" feeling in the brain, which is  apparently differentiable from
lust and other emotions. But this is  just beginning, it will be some time
before they can draw general  conclusions and explore the full range of
possibility of human emotion.  And there's a frightening though- what if your
partner could put a  hat on you and ask you if you are "in love" with them and
the computer  would tell them whether or not you're lying. Or maybe would that
be a  good thing? Hmmm.  Dave	 On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Daniel Reeves
wrote:	>> the pysiological condition of being "in love" is only possible
with  >> one person at a time. If you can't relate to what I'm
 talking about,  >> then you've never really been in love. > > So
judgmental! I think second guessing people's emotions is a bad	> idea. >
> --  > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel
Reeves" > > Irrationality is the square root of all evil. > > >
David P. Morris, PhD Operations Manager and Senior Engineer ElectroDynamic
Applications, Inc. morris Æ edapplications.com, (734) 786-1434, fax: (734)
786-3235      

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