| Message Number: | 609 |
| From: | "bethany soule" <bsoule Æ gmail.com> |
| Date: | Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:14:50 -0500 |
| Subject: | Re: mea culpa: everything I've ever said about smoke-free workplace laws |
"helmet laws are bad for the gene pool." On 1/22/07, Lisa Hsu wrote: > does this dislike of bans/laws extend to things like motorcycle/bicycle > helmets, seatbelts, and the like? > > just curious. > > lisa > > > On 1/22/07, Daniel Reeves wrote: > > It took a while but Cam Wicklow's and Matt Rudary's (and possibly other > > of my opponents in this debate who I'm forgetting) points have finally > > fully sunk in. (The greatest thing about improvetheworld in my opinion is > > how often we prove Carl Sagan's otherwise apt obversation about political > > debate wrong (see appended email signature).) > > > > I no longer support smoke-free workplace laws! > > > > The right strategy is a coherent policy that upholds everyone's > freedom: > > freedom to smoke and freedom to not breathe smoke. For example, mandated > > risk-pay (i.e., the very real risk of cancer for the waitstaff of smoky > > bars) could make it expensive enough to allow smoking that a minority of > > establishments would choose to. Voila, everyone's happy! I'm really sick > > of governments banning things. It's a dangerous precedent. > > Basically, I think policy-makers should be more like mathematicians. > > Smoking in bars and restaurants is/was a real social problem. But there > > are ways to fix it without adding laws. In fact, we can fix it by > > generalizing, clarifying, and consistently enforcing existing laws. > > Risk-pay is one way. Another way is to generalize liquor-license laws to > > include smoking, i.e., directly make it more expensive for bar and > > restaurant owners to allow smoking. > > It really boils down to the Golden Rule. Banning something is A-OK > > when you don't happen to want to do that thing anyway. But worry about > > the precedent you're setting for when the government decides that *your* > > favorite risky activity is a danger to yourself and others. > > I should confess though that part of the reason I finally saw the light > > on this is that, living in supposedly smoke-free New York City you can't > > walk a block without getting three facefuls of smoke. > > I keep thinking how nice it would be to get the smokers into some kind > of > > special smoking establishments -- "bars" if you will -- and off the damn > > sidewalks! Oh the irony. > > > > And don't get me started on New York's transfats ban. > > > > Danny > > > > -- > > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - > search://"Daniel Reeves" > > > > "In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's > > a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they > > would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view > > from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as > > it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes > > painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time > > something like that happened in politics or religion." > > -- Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP Keynote Address > > > >

