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I have what I consider to be an interesting problem. I believe that I have
8 yootles. I would be interested in spending those yootles to get out the
yootility that I put into them. However, I feel reluctant to go into yootle
debt because I don't really have a concrete understanding of the value of
yootles. What if I have to take someone to the airport at 5 am to make up
for a backrub that cost 10 yootles because I am negative and about to exceed
my time limit? It seems that in establishing their value (to you) it is
likely that one would go through a period of mis-bidding (think about some
of the crap you bought as a teenager while you were "figuring out the value
of a dollar"). And since favors can be sort of nebulous and there are
people's feelings involved, I feel unsure about the side effects of this
mis-bidding period that I see as inevitable.
Any suggestions?
Clare
On 11/27/06, Yanni Kouskoulas wrote:
>
> Very interesting answers.
>
> I accept and understand points made by Michael and Steve and Kevin about
> how the supply of a currency affects the value of that currency, and can
> affect inflation. And while I agree that controlling supply is part of what
> gives a currency value, it seems to me that it is not sufficient; one must
> also have a demand for the currency for a value to be set.
>
> The problem in my mind is not understanding the effect of supply, it is
> understanding where demand comes from, and what puts the demand curve for a
> currency for an individual in one place as opposed to another place. Clearly
> demand for yootles is determined by their utility; but what determines the
> utility of a yootle to an individual?
>
> Kevins answer addresses some of this. His argument that demand is set by
> peoples expectations; they expect it to be worth something, and so it is.
> But it begs the question of how their expectations get set, and how
> everyones expectations are synchronized to be the same. If I have one
> expectation for the value of a yootle, and you have another, the currency
> system will break down because one of us will be surprised at what we can or
> cannot buy. Kevin's summation is somewhat convincing to me:
>
> > As far as fundamental value goes, I think a yootle needs to be tied
> > to something else of value to have any real value in itself, at
> > least until people become accustomed to the system
>
> I agree that it seems that a yootle must be tied to something at some
> point, to set the expectations of its utility. I could accept that a
> currency could be "not tied" to anything if people have a general
> expectation of how much that currency is worth. But the expectation must be
> set in the beginning, somehow, and synchronized and maintained. Once it is
> untied, I am unsure how synchronization of peoples expectations of the
> utility of a yootle is maintained.
>
> As a point of curiosity/interest, I was taught that the dollar is 'tied'
> to something of value even today and that something is banking transaction
> services.
>
> As it was explained to me: One of the Feds functions is clearing checks
> between large banks. This service indirectly backs your ability to write
> checks on your checking account, because small banks use larger banks to
> transfer funds, and largest banks use the fed. So it is a useful service.
>
> The Fed clears a finite number of checks a day which correspond to some
> amount of currency transfers and some amount of labor. You can get the Fed
> to do this by paying them dollars.
>
> This labor backs the value of the dollars in circulation, because the fed
> guarantees that you can always exchange dollars for banking transaction
> (check clearing) services. Conceptually, if you give the Fed a few pennies,
> they will clear your check for you. That is a guaranteed exchange, and that
> is how dollars are tied to or backed by banking transaction services.
>
> So it used to be that the Fed guaranteed an exchange of
> dollars gold
> and now it guarantees an exchange of
> dollars banking transaction services
>
> There is nothing special about banking transaction services; they are just
> the service that the Fed guarantees you can buy with your dollars. There is
> something special about the Fed, since it issues those dollars and this is
> what creates the "tie."
>
> That was the source of my resistance to a tie-less currency, because that
> is how I thought peoples expectations about the amount of value a particular
> currency holds were set and maintained and synchronized.
>
> Mabye, as Kevin suggests, once the expectations are set, they remain
> synchronized without necessarily having a tie.
>
> So mabye I can summarize my remaining questions thus:
>
> A: If we have tied yootles to something of value, how do we prevent
> someone who has an abundance of this resource from getting their way every
> time? Is it necessary to prevent someone from doing this to have a fair
> system?
>
> B: If we have not tied yootles to something of value, how do expectations
> of the utility of a yootle get set, synchronized and maintained for
> individuals (specifically referring to the demand side of the yootle-value
> equation)?
>
> It is entirely possible that the answer is B and someone can point me to a
> theory or paper that describes this mechanism..
>
> -Yanni
>
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I have what I consider to be an interesting problem. I believe that I have 8
yootles. I would be interested in spending those yootles to get out the
yootility that I put into them. However, I feel reluctant to go into yootle
debt because I don't really have a concrete understanding of the value of
yootles. What if I have to take someone to the airport at 5 am to make up for
a backrub that cost 10 yootles because I am negative and about to exceed my
time limit? It seems that in establishing their value (to you) it is likely
that one would go through a period of mis-bidding (think about some of the crap
you bought as a teenager while you were "figuring out the value of a dollar").
And since favors can be sort of nebulous and there are people's feelings
involved, I feel unsure about the side effects of this mis-bidding period that
I see as inevitable.
Any suggestions? Clare On 11/27/06, Yanni Kouskoulas < ykouskoulas
Æ gmail.com > wrote:
Very interesting answers. I accept and understand points made by Michael and
Steve and Kevin about how the supply of a currency affects the value of that
currency, and can affect inflation. And while I agree that controlling supply
is part of what gives a currency value, it seems to me that it is not
sufficient; one must also have a demand for the currency for a value to be set.
The problem in my mind is not understanding the effect of supply, it is
understanding where demand comes from, and what puts the demand curve for a
currency for an individual in one place as opposed to another place. Clearly
demand for yootles is determined by their utility; but what determines the
utility of a yootle to an individual?
Kevins answer addresses some of this. His argument that demand is set by
peoples expectations; they expect it to be worth something, and so it is. But
it begs the question of how their expectations get set, and how everyones
expectations are synchronized to be the same. If I have one expectation for the
value of a yootle, and you have another, the currency system will break down
because one of us will be surprised at what we can or cannot buy. Kevin's
summation is somewhat convincing to me:
> As far as fundamental value goes, I think a yootle needs to be tied
> to something else of value to have any real value in itself, at > least
until people become accustomed to the system
I agree that it seems that a yootle must be tied to something at some point,
to set the expectations of its utility. I could accept that a currency could be
"not tied" to anything if people have a general expectation of how much that
currency is worth. But the expectation must be set in the beginning, somehow,
and synchronized and maintained. Once it is untied, I am unsure how
synchronization of peoples expectations of the utility of a yootle is
maintained.
As a point of curiosity/interest, I was taught that the dollar is 'tied' to
something of value even today and that something is banking transaction
services. As it was explained to me: One of the Feds functions is clearing
checks between large banks. This service indirectly backs your ability to write
checks on your checking account, because small banks use larger banks to
transfer funds, and largest banks use the fed. So it is a useful service.
The Fed clears a finite number of checks a day which correspond to some
amount of currency transfers and some amount of labor. You can get the Fed to
do this by paying them dollars. This labor backs the value of the dollars in
circulation, because the fed guarantees that you can always exchange dollars
for banking transaction (check clearing) services. Conceptually, if you give
the Fed a few pennies, they will clear your check for you. That is a guaranteed
exchange, and that is how dollars are tied to or backed by banking transaction
services.
So it used to be that the Fed guaranteed an exchange of
dollars <==> gold and now it guarantees an exchange of
dollars <==> banking transaction services
There is nothing special about banking transaction services; they are just the
service that the Fed guarantees you can buy with your dollars. There is
something special about the Fed, since it issues those dollars and this is what
creates the "tie."
That was the source of my resistance to a tie-less currency, because that is
how I thought peoples expectations about the amount of value a particular
currency holds were set and maintained and synchronized.
Mabye, as Kevin suggests, once the expectations are set, they remain
synchronized without necessarily having a tie. So mabye I can summarize my
remaining questions thus: A: If we have tied yootles to something of value,
how do we prevent someone who has an abundance of this resource from getting
their way every time? Is it necessary to prevent someone from doing this to
have a fair system?
B: If we have not tied yootles to something of value, how do expectations of
the utility of a yootle get set, synchronized and maintained for individuals
(specifically referring to the demand side of the yootle-value equation)?
It is entirely possible that the answer is B and someone can point me to a
theory or paper that describes this mechanism.. -Yanni
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