X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r431796 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id kA825g8W018964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:42 -0500 Received: from ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu (ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.144]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA825bn4027075; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:38 -0500 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45513B61.70CB3.23362 ; 7 Nov 2006 21:05:21 -0500 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA825JCn026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:19 -0500 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id kA825I8W018949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id kA825IpM018946; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <45513735.4070603 Æ umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <45513735.4070603 Æ umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r431796 (2006-08-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:05:18 -0500 (EST) To: Matt Rudary cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: 40% chance that democrats take both house and senate Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 853 But it's only been in recent elections that the bias has shown up (according to the GOP website -- I haven't researched this myself). In any case, those are hypotheses to test, as you say. The conspiracy theory is plausible enough that it's important we get a scientifically rigorous answer to this. Reliable sources solicited! And the conspiracy doesn't have to be vast and across the board -- if there's an exit poll bias then there should be a measurable exit poll skew factor that can be adjusted for to detect instances of fraud. Actually, just checking if the exit poll skew is universal should reveal a lot. As Matt notes, a vast across-the-board conspiracy is implausible. --- \/ FROM Matt Rudary AT 06.11.07 20:47 (Today) \/ --- > What makes 1 more plausible than a vast, right-wing conspiracy that changes > vote counts across the board in every district without detection? Seriously? > > OK, here are a couple hypotheses to test: > > 1) Young people are more likely to vote Democratic and are also more likely > to answer exit polls than older people. > > 2) People who work 60+ hours a week are more likely to vote Republican and > are less likely to answer exit polls than people who work fewer than 60 hours > per week. > > 3) People without jobs are more likely to vote Democratic and are more likely > to answer exit polls than people with jobs. > > There are all sorts of reasons opt-out surveys are less accurate than > mandatory surveys. These hypotheses may have explanatory power. > > Matt > > Daniel Reeves wrote: >> and 6% chance that republicans keep both. >> >> ... according to the prediction market at tradesports.com. >> >> >> Question: What do you all think of allegations that Republicans are >> cheating? >> >> Here's some damning evidence from the GOP itself: >> http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6718 >> >> From that page: >> "For reasons that remain unclear, Democratic voters are more likely than >> Republicans to agree to interview requests from pollsters." >> >> (Just to spell it out: If the exit polls favor democrats and the real >> polls favor republicans, there are two explanations: >> 1. a democratic bias in exit polls. >> 2. a republican bias in the real polls. >> What makes 1 more plausible? Seriously, how do Republicans answer that? >> This is scary!) >> > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; -- David Jayne (submitted by Dave Morris, 2004)