X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.2.0-r431796 Sender: 1.4 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k9PJCdnw030398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:12:40 -0400 Received: from galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu (galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.145]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PJCbhK005144; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:12:37 -0400 Received: FROM tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.93.161]) BY galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 453FB71F.65AD.9539 ; 25 Oct 2006 15:12:31 -0400 Received: FROM [192.168.0.101] (c-68-40-203-88.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.203.88]) BY tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 453FB6E1.D6DCB.22554 ; 25 Oct 2006 15:11:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r431796 (2006-08-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:11:21 -0400 To: Daniel Reeves Cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Robert Felty Subject: Re: I'm 7% inconsistent Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 821 me too here is where I am inconsistent: Questions 1 and 27: Is morality relative? 44365 of the 97795 people who have completed this activity have this tension in their beliefs. You agreed that: There are no objective moral standards; moral judgements are merely an expression of the values of particular cultures And also that: Acts of genocide stand as a testament to man's ability to do great evil The tension between these two beliefs is that, on the one hand, you are saying that morality is just a matter of culture and convention, but on the other, you are prepared to condemn acts of genocide as 'evil'. But what does it mean to say 'genocide is evil'? To reconcile the tension, you could say that all you mean is that to say 'genocide is evil' is to express the values of your particular culture. It does not mean that genocide is evil for all cultures and for all times. However, are you really happy to say, for example, that the massacre of the Tutsi people in 1994 by the Hutu dominated Rwandan Army was evil from the point of view of your culture but not evil from the point of view of the Rwandan Army, and what is more, that there is no sense in which one moral judgement is superior to the other? If moral judgements really are 'merely the expression of the values of a particular culture', then how are the values which reject genocide and torture at all superior to those which do not? My reasoning for this inconsistency is that 1) I was a bit confused by question 27, and 2) when I say that morality is dependent upon culture, I mostly just mean that morality is influenced (or perhaps defined by) culturally accepted norms, which change from time to place. There are of course moral issues which change more than others (e.g. homosexuality). In terms of genocide, this could boil down to intentions and background reasons. If one's intention is to wipe out a bunch of terrorists, the set of whom happens to coincide with a particular race, this might not be inherently evil. But attempting to wipe out an entire race which has not violently threatened anyone (e.g. the holocaust), would most likely be considered morally wrong at practically any time or place. Rob On Oct 25, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote: > How bout you? > > http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/check.htm > > > (ps, didn't end up seeing Jesus Camp last night if anyone still > wants to see it -- I know most of you are in ann arbor where it > doesn't seem to be showing. maybe we could have a trans-city movie > night when it comes out on dvd.) > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" > >