On 8/1/06, Robert Felty < robfelty Æ umich.edu> wrote:

Did anyone notice the glaring typo in the subject line?
Rob

On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

> Thanks Eugene.  This topic in general is certainly worth a thread
> and if this is a controversial way to start one, all the better.
>
> Yes, the perspective below is biased but I believe it's true that
> the Israeli army is not actively targeting civilians.  If you have
> a different opinion, speak up.
>
> Here's some perspective from the other side, contributed by Uluc:
> http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2921
>
> I haven't vetted any of this very carefully -- just hoping to get
> the discussion started.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Yevgeniy Vorobeychik <yvorobey Æ umich.edu>
> Subject: Those Using Babies as Sheilds (fwd)
>
> Hey, guys. I am generally averse to spamming people with
> propaganda. However, I feel it my moral responsibility to
> disseminate this human story to contrast it with the increasing
> sense that Israeli army has no compunctions about civilian
> casualties you may be getting from the media coverage.  Do you
> think this topic in general is worth an improvetheworld thread?
>
> Eugene
>
> _________
>
> Cry to those Using Babies as Sheilds
> By
>
> Naomi Ragen
>
> My son is in the army. He is not the type at all, believe
> me. Quiet, studious, a writer, a lover of Jewish history,
> Talmud, ethics. He spent two years in a pre-army program in
> the Galilee called Karmei Chayil. He made many good friends
> there from all over the country, and now he and all his
> friends are in the army. One of them I know well. A bit
> chubby, with payot, and a great laugh. He and my son have
> become like brothers. While both of them tried out for the
> elite paratroopers unit, only he made it in. He and his
> unit are the ones in Lebanon. They were there over a week,
> fighting under horrific conditions, running out of food and
> water. Even though the Israeli airforce dropped tons of
> leaflets warning civilians to flee because they were in
> terrorist territory and likely to be injured, they still
> encountered civilians. My son spoke to his friend
> yesterday,and this is how he described it:
> "The village looked empty, and then we heard noises coming
> from one of the houses, so we opened fire. But when we
> went inside, we found two women and a child huddled in the
> corner of the room. We were so relieved we hadn't hurt
> them. We took up base in one of the empty houses. And then
> all of a sudden, we came under intense fire. Three rockets
> were fired at the house we were in. Only one managed to
> destroy a wall, which fell on one of us, covering him in
> white dust, but otherwise not hurting him. I spent the
> whole time feeding bullets to my friend who was shooting
> non-stop. We managed to killed 26 terrorists. Not one of
> us was hurt. Our commanding officer kept walking around,
> touching everybody on the shoulder, smiling and encouraging
> us: "We're are better than they are. Don't worry." It
> calmed us all down. And really, we were much better then
> them. They are a lousy army. They only win when they hide
> behind baby carriages."
>
> Please remember this when you hear about the "atrocity" of
> the Israeli bomb dropped on Kfar Cana, killing many
> civilians, a place from which Hezbollah has fired hundreds
> of rockets at Israel. Unlike previous administrations, Mr.
> Olmert has my respect when he says: "They were warned to
> leave. It is the responsibility of Hezbollah for firing
> rockets amidst civilians."
>
> Terrorists and their supporters have lost the right to
> complain about civilian casualties, since all they have done
> this entire war is target civilians. Every single one of the
> more than 2,500 rockets launched into Israel, is launched
> into populated towns filled with women and children. Just
> today, another suicide belt meant to kill civilians in
> Israel was detonated harmlessly by our forces in Nablus. So
> don't cry to me about civilian casualties. Cry to those
> using your babies and wives and mothers; cry to those who
> store weapons in mosques, ambulances, hospitals, and private
> homes. Cry to those launching deadly rockets from the
> backyards of your kindergartens and schools. Cry to the
> heartless men who love death, and however many of their
> troops or civilians die, consider themselves victorious as
> long as they can keep on firing rockets at our women and
> children.
>
> Save your sympathy for the mothers and sisters and
> girlfriends of our young soldiers who would rather be
> sitting in study halls learning Torah, but have no choice
> but to risk their precious lives full of hope, goodness and
> endless potential, to wipe out the cancerous terrorist cells
> that threaten their people and all mankind. Make your
> choice, and save your tears.
>
> That terrorists have been unsuccessful in killing more of
> our women and children is due to our army, God and prayers,
> not to any lack of motivation or intention on their part.
> If you hide behind your baby to shoot at my baby, you are
> responsible for getting children killed. You and you alone.
>
>
>
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