X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: -2.599 Required: 5 X-Spam-Summary: BAYES_00 Sender: -2.599 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from smtp.eecs.umich.edu (smtp.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.43]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBLKKUhe010161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:20:31 -0500 Received: from informer.mr.itd.umich.edu (informer.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.72]) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBLKKM9r022979; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:20:22 -0500 Received: FROM smtp.eecs.umich.edu (smtp.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.43]) BY informer.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 41C883A3.9CD15.29093 ; 21 Dec 2004 15:12:19 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.43] (bgp994279bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net [68.40.41.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBLKAsAb021244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <41C88346.4030208 Æ eecs.umich.edu> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1102460457.18558.8.camel Æ wintermute.eecs.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 141.213.4.43 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 141.213.4.43 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:10:46 -0500 To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu CC: Chris Kiekintveld , dbkiek Æ hotmail.com, abangert Æ umich.edu, jonkiek59 Æ hotmail.com, metalfreak2k Æ hotmail.com, stevejinla Æ yahoo.com, Mekayla Beaver , alederer Æ yahoo.com From: Matthew Rudary Subject: Re: climate change Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Becker (a Nobel-prize-winning economist) and Posner (a Circuit Court judge) discuss global warming and the Kyoto protocol this week on their blog, at http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/ Interestingly, Posner, who is fairly conservative, supports the US signing the Kyoto protocol. Matt Daniel Reeves wrote: > Thanks Chris. Those are worth reading. I once came across a Car and > Driver article (someone in the lab taped it to the wall) lambasting global > warming research. I found the premise of the article disgusting: that > there isn't enough proof that the observed climate changes are human > influenced. It's like pooh-poohing getting your brakes checked because > not all the mechanics agree that your car is a time bomb and the ones who > think it is are using questionable evidence. > > In other words, even if the actual probability is quite low that the > climate changes are human-caused, we still desperately need to act. > > that's my $0.02. > > oh, one more thing, since it relates to the AAA debate. Can't read all > that much into this but I just googled around and found an anti kyoto > treaty website quoting a AAA publication from 1998 about how "only" 13-17% > of scientists believe things like global warming is caused by humans or > that there are catastrophic consequences to not reducing greenhouse gases. > > Actually, aside from that shameful quote from AAA, the website made some > seemingly good points about why we shouldn't adopt Kyoto. Could someone > with a clue impart their cluefulness this way? > > Danny > > To get on or off the improvetheworld list: > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld > > > --- \/ FROM Chris Kiekintveld AT 04.12.07 18:00 (Dec 7) \/ --- > > >>Some fun stuff on slashdot today about global warming: >> >>First, an article about a study of the last 10 years of >>articles published in peer-reviewed science journals about >>global warming shows an unusual degree of consensus on >>the basic question of global warming: >> >>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686 >> >>And, a group of geologists presents a pretty clear overview >>of the case that "The dangers posed by climate change are no longer >>merely possible and long-term. They are probable, imminent, and global >>in scope.": >> >>http://ebulletin.le.ac.uk/features/2000-2009/2004/12/nparticle-vkt-hgf-t4c > >