X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r372567 Sender: -4.4 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k71KXl6V027552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:48 -0400 Received: from dave.mr.itd.umich.edu (dave.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.70]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k71KXW76016251; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:32 -0400 Received: FROM skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.93.160]) BY dave.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 44CFBA96.85784.10483 ; 1 Aug 2006 16:33:26 -0400 Received: FROM [141.211.105.86] (robfelty.dhcp.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.105.86]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 44CFBA5A.E4A8.28879 ; 1 Aug 2006 16:32:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15B29C49-F50B-4B0B-9779-9FCDA90216E6 Æ umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r372567 (2006-01-26) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:32:21 -0400 To: Daniel Reeves Cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Robert Felty Subject: Re: Those Using Babies as Sheilds (fwd) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 652 Did anyone notice the glaring typo in the subject line? Rob On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote: > Thanks Eugene. This topic in general is certainly worth a thread > and if this is a controversial way to start one, all the better. > > Yes, the perspective below is biased but I believe it's true that > the Israeli army is not actively targeting civilians. If you have > a different opinion, speak up. > > Here's some perspective from the other side, contributed by Uluc: > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2921 > > I haven't vetted any of this very carefully -- just hoping to get > the discussion started. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Yevgeniy Vorobeychik > Subject: Those Using Babies as Sheilds (fwd) > > Hey, guys. I am generally averse to spamming people with > propaganda. However, I feel it my moral responsibility to > disseminate this human story to contrast it with the increasing > sense that Israeli army has no compunctions about civilian > casualties you may be getting from the media coverage. Do you > think this topic in general is worth an improvetheworld thread? > > Eugene > > _________ > > Cry to those Using Babies as Sheilds > By > > Naomi Ragen > > My son is in the army. He is not the type at all, believe > me. Quiet, studious, a writer, a lover of Jewish history, > Talmud, ethics. He spent two years in a pre-army program in > the Galilee called Karmei Chayil. He made many good friends > there from all over the country, and now he and all his > friends are in the army. One of them I know well. A bit > chubby, with payot, and a great laugh. He and my son have > become like brothers. While both of them tried out for the > elite paratroopers unit, only he made it in. He and his > unit are the ones in Lebanon. They were there over a week, > fighting under horrific conditions, running out of food and > water. Even though the Israeli airforce dropped tons of > leaflets warning civilians to flee because they were in > terrorist territory and likely to be injured, they still > encountered civilians. My son spoke to his friend > yesterday,and this is how he described it: > "The village looked empty, and then we heard noises coming > from one of the houses, so we opened fire. But when we > went inside, we found two women and a child huddled in the > corner of the room. We were so relieved we hadn't hurt > them. We took up base in one of the empty houses. And then > all of a sudden, we came under intense fire. Three rockets > were fired at the house we were in. Only one managed to > destroy a wall, which fell on one of us, covering him in > white dust, but otherwise not hurting him. I spent the > whole time feeding bullets to my friend who was shooting > non-stop. We managed to killed 26 terrorists. Not one of > us was hurt. Our commanding officer kept walking around, > touching everybody on the shoulder, smiling and encouraging > us: "We're are better than they are. Don't worry." It > calmed us all down. And really, we were much better then > them. They are a lousy army. They only win when they hide > behind baby carriages." > > Please remember this when you hear about the "atrocity" of > the Israeli bomb dropped on Kfar Cana, killing many > civilians, a place from which Hezbollah has fired hundreds > of rockets at Israel. Unlike previous administrations, Mr. > Olmert has my respect when he says: "They were warned to > leave. It is the responsibility of Hezbollah for firing > rockets amidst civilians." > > Terrorists and their supporters have lost the right to > complain about civilian casualties, since all they have done > this entire war is target civilians. Every single one of the > more than 2,500 rockets launched into Israel, is launched > into populated towns filled with women and children. Just > today, another suicide belt meant to kill civilians in > Israel was detonated harmlessly by our forces in Nablus. So > don't cry to me about civilian casualties. Cry to those > using your babies and wives and mothers; cry to those who > store weapons in mosques, ambulances, hospitals, and private > homes. Cry to those launching deadly rockets from the > backyards of your kindergartens and schools. Cry to the > heartless men who love death, and however many of their > troops or civilians die, consider themselves victorious as > long as they can keep on firing rockets at our women and > children. > > Save your sympathy for the mothers and sisters and > girlfriends of our young soldiers who would rather be > sitting in study halls learning Torah, but have no choice > but to risk their precious lives full of hope, goodness and > endless potential, to wipe out the cancerous terrorist cells > that threaten their people and all mankind. Make your > choice, and save your tears. > > That terrorists have been unsuccessful in killing more of > our women and children is due to our army, God and prayers, > not to any lack of motivation or intention on their part. > If you hide behind your baby to shoot at my baby, you are > responsible for getting children killed. You and you alone. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > For more articles,please visit my Web page at: http:// > www.NaomiRagen.com > To subscribe, send a blank message to NaomiRagen-on Æ mail-list.com > To unsubscribe, send a blank message to NaomiRagen-off Æ mail-list.com > To change your email address, send a message to NaomiRagen- > change Æ mail-list.com > with your old address in the Subject: line > To contact the list owner, send your message to > NaomiRagen-list-owner Æ mail-list.com > > > > To unsubscribe, click on the following web page. > http://cgi.mail-list.com/u?ln=naomiragen&nm=mbpevzner Æ yahoo.com > > > This message was launched into cyberspace to mbpevzner Æ yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > >