X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: -2.599 Required: 5 X-Spam-Summary: BAYES_00 Sender: -2.599 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from smtp.eecs.umich.edu (smtp.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.43]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBG5Mohe001669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:22:50 -0500 Received: from brokenways.mr.itd.umich.edu (brokenways.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.142]) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBG5Mg5o027858; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:22:42 -0500 Received: FROM boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) BY brokenways.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 41C1197A.5A4B7.12898 ; 16 Dec 2004 00:13:30 -0500 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBG5DShe001622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:13:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id iBG5DSvE001619; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:13:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <1102460457.18558.8.camel Æ wintermute.eecs.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <1102460457.18558.8.camel Æ wintermute.eecs.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 141.213.4.43 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:13:28 -0500 (EST) To: Chris Kiekintveld cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu, dbkiek Æ hotmail.com, abangert Æ umich.edu, jonkiek59 Æ hotmail.com, metalfreak2k Æ hotmail.com, stevejinla Æ yahoo.com, Mekayla Beaver , alederer Æ yahoo.com From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: climate change Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 Thanks Chris. Those are worth reading. I once came across a Car and Driver article (someone in the lab taped it to the wall) lambasting global warming research. I found the premise of the article disgusting: that there isn't enough proof that the observed climate changes are human influenced. It's like pooh-poohing getting your brakes checked because not all the mechanics agree that your car is a time bomb and the ones who think it is are using questionable evidence. In other words, even if the actual probability is quite low that the climate changes are human-caused, we still desperately need to act. that's my $0.02. oh, one more thing, since it relates to the AAA debate. Can't read all that much into this but I just googled around and found an anti kyoto treaty website quoting a AAA publication from 1998 about how "only" 13-17% of scientists believe things like global warming is caused by humans or that there are catastrophic consequences to not reducing greenhouse gases. Actually, aside from that shameful quote from AAA, the website made some seemingly good points about why we shouldn't adopt Kyoto. Could someone with a clue impart their cluefulness this way? Danny To get on or off the improvetheworld list: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld --- \/ FROM Chris Kiekintveld AT 04.12.07 18:00 (Dec 7) \/ --- > Some fun stuff on slashdot today about global warming: > > First, an article about a study of the last 10 years of > articles published in peer-reviewed science journals about > global warming shows an unusual degree of consensus on > the basic question of global warming: > > http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686 > > And, a group of geologists presents a pretty clear overview > of the case that "The dangers posed by climate change are no longer > merely possible and long-term. They are probable, imminent, and global > in scope.": > > http://ebulletin.le.ac.uk/features/2000-2009/2004/12/nparticle-vkt-hgf-t4c -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves" "Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code."