X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.0-r372567 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k3PIrOXO009589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:53:24 -0400 Received: from madman.mr.itd.umich.edu (madman.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.75]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k3PIrMjs021828; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:53:22 -0400 Received: FROM wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.227]) BY madman.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 444E6FF9.EF200.28702 ; 25 Apr 2006 14:52:42 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so885221wra for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lV7sdqZuTm+xpZfF78K/asJyNt9TZ+HenOyLaAPnY9ZCLLf+OHMpIjxqJcHQF1hEm0XVoAVAYiKHUCmn4Yf5rlVSEUJBXNlZbKkIilkxDZ2s2ZJOR1ZL2bRTGEMyAx9fdNdlzdicLYyVLCHNHax2fskJsyGDnAioXd8OIdc0Mak= Received: by 10.54.106.17 with SMTP id e17mr6323390wrc; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.98.5 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56e157e80604251152t3197b46dlb8ab6d24ec1ef118 Æ mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1eb39e23b94096b873c4cdb59d43d8f5 Æ eecs.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2159_17493168.1145991161023" References: <1eb39e23b94096b873c4cdb59d43d8f5 Æ eecs.umich.edu> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r372567 (2006-01-26) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:52:41 -0400 To: "Joshua J Estelle" Cc: "Dave Morris" , improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: "Christine Kapusky" Subject: Re: Congress is selling out the Internet Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 440 ------=_Part_2159_17493168.1145991161023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Someone check it on www.snopes.com I can't access that website, because my school district has banned that sit= e as inappropriate... On 4/25/06, Joshua J Estelle wrote: > > I believe this is a fairly serious issue and I'm glad MoveOn is letting > people know about it. > > Vint Cerf (of Google) spoke out on the issue back in November when > there was a hearing with congress on the topic, check Google's blog > post about it here: > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/vint-cerf-speaks-out-on-net- > neutrality.html > > There's lots more about this out in the world and I encourage you to > read more if you're interested. > > Josh > > > On Apr 25, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Dave Morris wrote: > > > Has anyone heard about this? Anyone know if it's serious or not? > > > > Dave > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Civic Action" > >> > >> Date: April 20, 2006 5:57:58 PM EDT > >> To: "Dave Morris" > >> Subject: Congress is selling out the Internet > >> > >> Google, Amazon, MoveOn.All these entities are fighting back as > >> Congress tries to pass a lawgiving a few corporationsthe power > >> toend the free and openInternet as we know it. > >> > >> Tell Congress topreserve the free and open Internet today. > >> > >> > >> Click Here > >> > >> Dear MoveOn member, > >> > >> Do you buy books online,use Google, or download to an Ipod?These > >> activities, plus MoveOn's online organizing ability, will behurt if > >> Congresspasses a radical law thatgives giant corporations more > >> control over the Internet. > >> > >> Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard > >> togut Network Neutrality, theInternet's First Amendment.Net > >> Neutrality prevents AT&T fromchoosing which websites open most > >> easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. Amazon doesn't > >> have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to work more properly on > >> your computer. > >> > >> If Net Neutrality is gutted,MoveOn either pays protection money to > >> dominant Internet providersor risks that online activism tools don't > >> work for members. Amazon and Google either payprotection > >> moneyorrisk that their websites process slowly on your computer. > >> That why thesehigh-tech pioneersare joining the fight to protect > >> Network Neutrality1=97and you can do your part today. > >> > >> The free and open Internet isunder seige=97can you sign this petition > >> letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network > >> Neutrality? Click here: > >> > >> http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356-347076- > >> an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D4 > >> > >> Then, please forward this to3 friends. Protecting the free and open > >> Internetis fundamental=97it affects everything. When you sign this > >> petition, you'll be kept informed ofthe next stepswe can take > >> tokeep the heat on Congress. Votes begin in a House committee next > >> week. > >> > >> MoveOn hasalready seenwhat happens whenthe Internet's gatekeepers > >> get too much control.Just last week, AOL blocked any email > >> mentioninga coalition that MoveOn is a part of,which opposes AOL's > >> proposed "email tax."2And last year,Canada's version of > >> AT&T=97Telus=97blocked their Internet customers from visitinga website > >> sympathetic toworkers with whom Telus was negotiating.3 > >> > >> Politiciansdon't think we are paying attention to this issue. Many > >> of them take campaign checks from big telecom companies and are on > >> the verge of selling out to people likeAT&T's CEO, whoopenly says, > >> "The internet can't be free."4 > >> > >> Together, we can let Congress know we are paying attention. We can > >> make sure theylisten to our voices and the voices of people like > >> Vint Cerf, a father of the Internet andGoogle's "Chief Internet > >> Evangelist," who recently wrote this to Congress in support of > >> preserving Network Neutrality: > >>>> My fear is that, as written, this bill would do great damage to the > >>>> Internet as we know it. Enshrining a rule that broadly permits > >>>> network operators to discriminate in favor of certain kinds of > >>>> services and to potentially interfere with others would place > >>>> broadband operators in control of online activity...Telephone > >>>> companies cannot tell consumers who they can call; network > >>>> operators should not dictate what people can do online.4 > >> The essence of the Internet is at risk=97can you sign this petition > >> letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network > >> Neutrality? Click here: > >> > >> http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356-347076- > >> an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D5 > >> > >> Please forward to 3 others who care about thisissue. Thanks for all > >> you do. > >> > >> =96Eli Pariser, Adam Green, Noah T. Winer,and the MoveOn.org Civic > >> Action team > >> Thursday, April 20th, 2006 > >> P.S. If Congress abandons Network Neutrality,who will be affected? > >> =95 Advocacy groupslike MoveOn=97Political organizing could= be > slowed > >> by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups > >> to pay "protection money"for their websites and online features to > >> work correctly. > >> =95 Nonprofits=97A charity's website could open at snail-sp= eed, > and > >> online contributions could grind to a halt, ifnonprofitscan't pay > >> dominant Internet providers for access to "the fast lane" of Internet > >> service. > >> =95 Google users=97Another search engine could pay dominant > Internet > >> providers like AT&T to guarantee the competing search engine opens > >> faster than Google on your computer. > >> =95 Innovatorswith the "next big idea"=97Startups and > entrepreneurs > >> will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay > >> Internet providers fordominant placingon the Web. The little guy > >> will be left in the "slow lane" with inferior Internet service, > >> unable to compete. > >> =95 Ipod listeners=97A company like Comcast could slow acce= ss to > >> iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it owned. > >> =95 Online purchasers=97Companies could pay Internet provid= ers > to > >> guaranteetheir online salesprocessfaster than competitors > >> withlower prices=97distorting your choice as a consumer. > >> =95 Small businesses and tele-commuters=97When Internet > companies like > >> AT&T favor their own services, you won't be able to choose more > >> affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing,Internet > >> phone calls, and software that connects your home computer to your > >> office. > >> =95 Parents and retirees=97Your choices as a consumer could= be > >> controlled by your Internetprovider, steering you to theirpreferred > >> services for online banking, health care information, sending photos, > >> planning vacations, etc. > >> =95 Bloggers=97Costs will skyrocket to post and share video= and > audio > >> clips=97silencing citizen journalists and putting more power in the > >> hands of a few corporate-owned media outlets.To signthe petition to > >> Congress supporting "network neutrality," click here: > >>> http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356-347076- > >>> an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D6 > >> P.P.S. This excerpt fromthe New Yorker really sums up this issue > >> well. > >>>> In the first decades of the twentieth century, as a national > >>>> telephone network spread across the United States, A.T. & T. > >>>> adopted a policy of "tiered access" for businesses. Companies that > >>>> paid an extra fee got better service: their customers' calls went > >>>> through immediately, were rarely disconnected, and sounded > >>>> crystal-clear. Those who didn't pony up had a harder time making > >>>> calls out, and people calling them sometimes got an "all circuits > >>>> busy" response. Over time, customers gravitated toward the > >>>> higher-tier companies and away from the ones that were more > >>>> difficult to reach. In effect, A.T. & T.'s policy turned it into a > >>>> corporate kingmaker. > >>>> > >>>> If you've never heard about this bit of business history, there's a > >>>> good reason: it never happened. Instead, A.T. & T. had to abide by > >>>> a "common carriage" rule: it provided the same quality of service > >>>> to all, and could not favor one customer over another. But, while > >>>> "tiered access" never influenced the spread of the telephone > >>>> network, it is becoming a major issue in the evolution of the > >>>> Internet. > >>>> > >>>> Until recently, companies that provided Internet access followed a > >>>> de-facto commoncarriage rule, usually called "network neutrality," > >>>> which meant that all Web sites got equal treatment. Network > >>>> neutrality was considered so fundamental to the success of the Net > >>>> that Michael Powell, when he was chairman of the F.C.C., described > >>>> it as one of the basic rules of "Internet freedom." In the past few > >>>> months, though, companies like A.T. & T. and BellSouth have been > >>>> trying to scuttle it. In the future, Web sites that pay extra to > >>>> providers could receive what BellSouth recently called "special > >>>> treatment," and those that don't could end up in the slow lane. One > >>>> day, BellSouth customers may find that, say, NBC.com loads a lot > >>>> faster than YouTube.com, and that the sites BellSouth favors just > >>>> seem to run more smoothly. Tiered access will turn the providers > >>>> into Internet gatekeepers.4 > >> Sources: > >> > >> 1. "Telecommunication Policy Proposed by Congress Must Recognize > >> Internet Neutrality," Letter to Senate leaders, March 23, 2006 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1653 > >> > >> 2. "AOL Blocks Critics' E-Mails," Los Angeles Times, April 14, 2006 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1649 > >> > >> 3. "B.C. Civil Liberties Association Denounces Blocking of Website by > >> Telus," British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Statement, July > >> 27, 2005 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1650 > >> > >> 4. "At SBC, It's All About 'Scale and Scope," BusinessWeek, November > >> 7, 2002 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1648 > >> > >> 5. "Net Losses," New Yorker, March 20, 2006 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1646 > >> > >> 6. "Don't undercut Internet access," San Francisco Chronicle > >> editorial, April 17, 2006 > >> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1645 > >> > >> > >> Subscription Management: > >> This is a message from MoveOn.org Civic Action. To change your email > >> address, update your contact info, or remove yourself (Dave Morris) > >> from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: > >> http://moveon.org/s?i=3D7356-347076-an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug > > David P. Morris, PhD > > Senior Engineer, ElectroDynamic Applications, Inc. > > morris Æ edapplications.com, (734)786-1434, fax: (734)786-3235 > > -- Fortune cookie gems: "Creating is the greatest proof of being alive." 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Someone check it on www.snopes.com
I can't access that website, because my school district has banned tha= t site as inappropriate...

 
On 4/25/06, = Joshua J Estelle <jestell= e Æ eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
I believe this is a fairly serio= us issue and I'm glad MoveOn is letting
people know about it.

Vin= t Cerf (of Google) spoke out on the issue back in November when
there was a hearing with congress on the topic, check Google's blog
= post about it here:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/vint-cer= f-speaks-out-on-net-
neutrality.html

There's lots more about this out in the worl= d and I encourage you to
read more if you're interested.

Josh
=

On Apr 25, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Dave Morris wrote:

> Has any= one heard about this? Anyone know if it's serious or not?
>
> Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
&= gt;> From: "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Civic Action"
>> = <moveon-help Æ list.moveon.= org >
>> Date: April 20, 2006 5:57:58 PM EDT
>> To: &q= uot;Dave Morris" <thecat Æ umich.= edu>
>> Subject: Congress is selling out the Internet
>>
>> Google, Amazon, MoveOn.All these entities are fighting= back as
>> Congress tries to pass a lawgiving a few corporationst= he power
>> toend the free and openInternet as we know it.
>>
>> Tell Congress topreserve the free and open Internet to= day.
>>
>> <buttonxclickhere.gif>
>> Click= Here
>>
>> Dear MoveOn member,
>>
>>&n= bsp; Do you buy books online,use Google, or download to an Ipod?These
>> activities, plus MoveOn's online organizing ability, will behu= rt if
>> Congresspasses a radical law thatgives giant corporations= more
>> control over the Internet.
>>
>> Intern= et providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard
>> togut Network Neutrality, theInternet's First Amendment.Net>> Neutrality prevents AT&T fromchoosing which websites open mos= t
>> easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. Amazon= doesn't
>> have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to work more p= roperly on
>> your computer.
>>
>> If Net Neutra= lity is gutted,MoveOn either pays protection money to
>> dominant = Internet providersor risks that online activism tools don't
>> work for members. Amazon and Google either payprotection
&g= t;> moneyorrisk that their websites process slowly on your computer.
= >> That why thesehigh-tech pioneersare joining the fight to protect
>> Network Neutrality1=97and you can do your part today.
>&= gt;
>> The free and open Internet isunder seige=97can you sign thi= s petition
>> letting your member of Congress know you support pre= serving Network
>> Neutrality? Click here:
>>
>> http://www.c= ivic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356-347076-
>> an8SbR= s70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D4
>>
>> Then, please forward this to3 friends. Protecting = the free and open
>> Internetis fundamental=97it affects everythin= g. When you sign this
>> petition, you'll be kept informed ofthe n= ext stepswe can take
>> tokeep the heat on Congress. Votes begin in a House committee = next
>> week.
>>
>> MoveOn hasalready seenwhat h= appens whenthe Internet's gatekeepers
>> get too much control.Just last week, AOL blocked any email
>> mentioninga coalition that Mo= veOn is a part of,which opposes AOL's
>> proposed "email tax.= "2And last year,Canada's version of
>> AT&T=97Telus=97blo= cked their Internet customers from visitinga website
>> sympathetic toworkers with whom Telus was negotiating.3
>= ;>
>>  Politiciansdon't think we are paying attention= to this issue. Many
>> of them take campaign checks from big tele= com companies and are on
>> the verge of selling out to people likeAT&T's CEO, whoopen= ly says,
>> "The internet can't be free."4
>>>> Together, we can let Congress know we are paying attention. We c= an
>> make sure theylisten to our voices and the voices of people li= ke
>> Vint Cerf, a father of the Internet andGoogle's "Chief = Internet
>> Evangelist," who recently wrote this to Congress = in support of
>> preserving Network Neutrality:
>>>> My fear is = that, as written, this bill would do great damage to the
>>>>= ; Internet as we know it. Enshrining a rule that broadly permits
>>= ;>> network operators to discriminate in favor of certain kinds of
>>>> services and to potentially interfere with others woul= d place
>>>> broadband operators in control of online activi= ty...Telephone
>>>> companies cannot tell consumers who they= can call; network
>>>> operators should not dictate what people can do online= .4
>> The essence of the Internet is at risk=97can you sign this p= etition
>> letting your member of Congress know you support preser= ving Network
>> Neutrality? Click here:
>>
>> http://www.c= ivic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356-347076-
>> an8SbR= s70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D5
>>
>> Please forward to 3 others who care about thisissu= e. Thanks for all
>> you do.
>>
>> =96Eli Parise= r, Adam Green, Noah T. Winer,and the MoveOn.org Civic
>> Action te= am
>>  Thursday, April 20th, 2006
>>  P= .S. If Congress abandons Network Neutrality,who will be affected?
>&g= t;      =95     &nbs= p; Advocacy groupslike MoveOn=97Political organizing could be slowed
>= ;> by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups
>> to pay "protection money"for their websites and onli= ne features to
>> work correctly.
>>   &nb= sp;  =95       Nonprofits=97A chari= ty's website could open at snail-speed, and
>> online contribution= s could grind to a halt, ifnonprofitscan't pay
>> dominant Internet providers for access to "the fast lane&= quot; of Internet
>> service.
>>    &= nbsp; =95       Google users=97Another s= earch engine could pay dominant Internet
>> providers like AT&= T to guarantee the competing search engine opens
>> faster than Google on your computer.
>>  &n= bsp;   =95       Innovatorswit= h the "next big idea"=97Startups and entrepreneurs
>> wi= ll be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay
>> Internet providers fordominant placingon the Web. The little g= uy
>> will be left in the "slow lane" with inferior Inte= rnet service,
>> unable to compete.
>>   &= nbsp;  =95       Ipod listeners=97A= company like Comcast could slow access to
>> iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it = owned.
>>      =95   =     Online purchasers=97Companies could pay Internet provide= rs to
>> guaranteetheir online salesprocessfaster than competitors
>> withlower prices=97distorting your choice as a consumer.
&g= t;>      =95     =   Small businesses and tele-commuters=97When Internet companies like>> AT&T favor their own services, you won't be able to choose m= ore
>> affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing,Intern= et
>> phone calls, and software that connects your home computer t= o your
>> office.
>>      = =95       Parents and retirees=97Your choices= as a consumer could be
>> controlled by your Internetprovider, steering you to theirpref= erred
>> services for online banking, health care information, sen= ding photos,
>> planning vacations, etc.
>>  &n= bsp;   =95       Bloggers=97Co= sts will skyrocket to post and share video and audio
>> clips=97silencing citizen journalists and putting more power i= n the
>> hands of a few corporate-owned media outlets.To signthe p= etition to
>> Congress supporting "network neutrality," = click here:
>>> http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=3D7356= -347076-
>>> an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug&t=3D6
>> P= .P.S . This excerpt fromthe New Yorker really sums up this issue
>> wel= l.
>>>> In the first decades of the twentieth century, as a = national
>>>> telephone network spread across the United Sta= tes,=20 A.T. & T.
>>>> adopted a policy of "tiered access&q= uot; for businesses. Companies that
>>>> paid an extra fee g= ot better service: their customers' calls went
>>>> through = immediately, were rarely disconnected, and sounded
>>>> crystal-clear. Those who didn't pony up had a harder t= ime making
>>>> calls out, and people calling them sometimes= got an "all circuits
>>>> busy" response. Over ti= me, customers gravitated toward the
>>>> higher-tier companies and away from the ones that were= more
>>>> difficult to reach. In effect, A.T. & T.'s po= licy turned it into a
>>>> corporate kingmaker.
>>&= gt;>
>>>> If you've never heard about this bit of business histo= ry, there's a
>>>> good reason: it never happened. Instead, = A.T. & T. had to abide by
>>>> a "common carriage&q= uot; rule: it provided the same quality of service
>>>> to all, and could not favor one customer over another.= But, while
>>>> "tiered access" never influenced = the spread of the telephone
>>>> network, it is becoming a m= ajor issue in the evolution of the
>>>> Internet.
>>>>
>>>> Unti= l recently, companies that provided Internet access followed a
>>&= gt;> de-facto commoncarriage rule, usually called "network neutrali= ty,"
>>>> which meant that all Web sites got equal treatment. Ne= twork
>>>> neutrality was considered so fundamental to the s= uccess of the Net
>>>> that Michael Powell, when he was chai= rman of the=20 F.C.C., described
>>>> it as one of the basic rules of "= ;Internet freedom." In the past few
>>>> months, though= , companies like A.T. & T. and BellSouth have been
>>>> = trying to scuttle it. In the future, Web sites that pay extra to
>>>> providers could receive what BellSouth recently called= "special
>>>> treatment," and those that don't co= uld end up in the slow lane. One
>>>> day, BellSouth custome= rs may find that, say,=20 NBC.com loads a lot
>>>> faster than YouTube.com, and that t= he sites BellSouth favors just
>>>> seem to run more smoothl= y. Tiered access will turn the providers
>>>> into Internet= =20 gatekeepers.4
>> Sources:
>>
>> 1. "Telecom= munication Policy Proposed by Congress Must Recognize
>> Internet = Neutrality," Letter to Senate leaders, March 23, 2006
>>=20 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D16= 53
>>
>>  2. "AOL Blocks Critics' E-Ma= ils," Los Angeles Times, April 14, 2006
>> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1649
>>
>> 3. "B.C. = Civil Liberties Association Denounces Blocking of Website by
>> Te= lus," British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Statement, July
>> 27, 2005
>> = http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1650
>>
>>  4. = "At SBC, It's All About 'Scale and Scope," BusinessWeek, November=
>> 7, 2002
>> http://www.moveon= .org/r?r=3D1648
>>
>> 5. "Net Losses," New = Yorker, March 20, 2006
>> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D1646
>>
>> 6. "Don't undercut Internet access,"= San Francisco Chronicle
>> editorial, April 17, 2006
>> = http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3D16= 45
>>
>>
>> Subscription Management:
>&g= t;  This is a message from MoveOn.org Civic Action. To change you= r email
>> address, update your contact info, or remove yourself (= Dave Morris)
>> from this list, please visit our subscription management page = at:
>> http://moveon.org/s?i=3D7356-347076-an8SbRs70xz4702MtS41Ug&= lt; o.gif>
> David P. Morris, PhD
> Senior Engineer, ElectroDyna= mic Applications, Inc.
> morris Æ edapplications.com, (734)786-1434, fax: (734)786-3235




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Fortune cookie gems:"Creating is the greatest proof of being alive."

"So= metimes the best choice is to choose all options."
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