X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k168nKma029011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:49:20 -0500 Received: from madman.mr.itd.umich.edu (madman.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.75]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k168nIKw017206; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:49:18 -0500 Received: FROM boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) BY madman.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 43E70D85.2B3C8.15645 ; 6 Feb 2006 03:49:09 -0500 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k168n8ma028985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:49:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id k168n8xx028982; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:49:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <013c01c62ac0$8f8fef20$54f1d58d Æ 0022430339> Message-ID: References: <013c01c62ac0$8f8fef20$54f1d58d Æ 0022430339> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-712164092-255592967-1139215747=:7275" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:49:07 -0500 (EST) To: James Mickens cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: view the infamous cartoons, support free speech, buy legos Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 388 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---712164092-255592967-1139215747=:7275 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE This is downright enlightening, James. Thanks so much for the careful=20 analysis and thorough research! Despite being one of the least egregious= =20 examples, I was particularly alarmed to learn about the Palestinian=20 professor who was thrown out a 2nd story classroom window by angry=20 fundamentalist muslim students. In light of your insights below I added #5 to the list of things we can=20 do. http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld It's a good place to start, but what's next? Any ideas for worthy charities? --- \/ FROM James Mickens AT 06.02.05 20:56 (Yesterday) \/ --- > I think that too much attention is being lavished on the cartoons > themselves. Personally, I am agnostic as to whether Danny should > publish them on his website. It's his decision. But we shouldn't lose > sight of the larger issue, which is the relationship between Islam > and free speech. Yes, some (but not all) of the cartoons depict > Muhammad and Islam in a poor light. Yes, the pictures could be > construed as violating the Islamic injunction against idolatry. But > does that mean that we, the West, are prohibited from discussing > Islam within our own cultural context of free speech? To what extent > does toleration for external sensitivities constitute a sacrifice of > our own principles? I would argue that portions of the Islamic world > have sought to limit Western free speech on Islam for some time, and > the chilling effect on our free speech is very evident. > > As a well-known canonical example, consider the publication of Salman > Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" in 1988. The book contained > descriptions of Muhammad that some Muslims considered offensive. A > controversy ensued and Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for > all faithful Muslims to kill Rushdie and anyone else involved in the > production of the book. An eruption of violence and mayhem ensued. > Rushdie's publisher in Norway was shot to death. The Japanese > translator of his novel was stabbed to death in Tokyo. Several > bookstores at UC Berkeley that sold "The Satanic Verses" were burned, > and so on and so forth. > > This type of reaction is unfortunately quite common when satirical, > controversial, or otherwise unusual commentary on Islam is proposed. > For example, an Arab scholar named Suliman Bashear was literally > defenestrated by angry students at the University of Nablus when he > suggested that Islam evolved over time instead of emerging perfect > and completely formed from Muhammad's original speeches. As another > example, a German scholar of Semitic languages recently proposed that > parts of the Koran derive from older Aramaic documents, documents > which were later mistakenly identified as contemporaneous by early > Islamic scholars. The scholar was forced to use a pseudonym due to > death threats, and he had enormous difficulty in finding a publisher > for his work. Both of these examples are discussed in a fantastic New > York Times article about the dangers of Koranic scholarship: > http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html > I highly recommend reading this article. Amongst other things, it > describes scholarship suggesting that the passages in the Koran which > promise 72 virgins to martyrs were mistranslated. The infamous > "virgins" should have been translated as "white raisins," which were > a delicacy in the ancient Middle East. This is an incredibly > interesting claim, since, if true, it would remove a primary > justification for many suicide bombers. Unfortunately, it's difficult > for research like this to be released when the Islamic reaction is > likely to be so volatile. > > The issue is not that all Muslims are violent, illogical fanatics, > because this isn't the case. However, it's important to realize that > Islamism has a non-trivial number of adherents, and we have to > confront this reality if we are to defeat this pernicious ideology. > It's also important to realize that, as mentioned above, there *has* > been a chilling affect on free speech and the expression of rights > considered non-Islamist. This is not a slippery slope > argument---these effects have already started. In this regard, I > disagree with Erica. One need only look to Europe, where in some > Muslim enclaves, female police officers are rejected as > authority-less and some parents are refusing to send their children > to mixed-sex schools. What's going to give? Will the Europeans > abandon their revolutionary ideals of =E9galit=E9, assigning only male > police officers to Muslim neighborhoods and creating new segregated > schools? Or will they willfully dismiss these Islamic sensibilities > as un-European? Only time will tell, but the moment of reckoning is > soon, and we can't be afraid to talk about it. > > Indeed, the fact that it's so difficult amongst the American left to > denounce Islamism as an obvious problem is leading to broken analyses > of important issues. Consider suicide bombing. The empirical reality > is that the majority of suicide bombers are Muslim. The American left > is quick to point out that the bombers are driven to blow themselves > up because of poverty or living under an oppressive government. These > factors may contribute to the phenomenon, but there are billions of > poor people who live under oppressive governments, and most of them > don't blow themselves up. A key component of suicide bombing is the > glorification of martyrdom, a glorification which is tightly > associated with fundamentalist Islam. To understand suicide bombing, > we must accept a particular strain of Islam as problematic and then > roll forward from there. This isn't any more racist or xenophobic > than the vilification of the KKK is racist towards whites. As another > example, if we can say that the Crusades were evidence that > Christianity was troubled during the medieval ages, we can say that > suicide bombings and the torching of embassies are evidence that > Islam is troubled now. This isn't a blanket accusation against all > Muslims. It's simply accepting the reality that a vocal minority of > Muslims possess a problematic ideology, much like some Christians > during the medieval age had a troubling tendency to assemble armies > and march towards Jerusalem. A cartoon satirizing suicide bombers in > a virgin-less heaven is not a slur against all Muslims, and to act > like is it is a little ridiculous. The fact that we can't make fun of > these things without being called racist or imperialist, while we can > make fun of Bush as a simple-minded Bible banger taking instructions > from God, is absurdly inconsistent. Either everything is sacrosanct > or nothing is. > > We can't improve the world if we can't talk about the state of the > world. Christianity became more liberal and more open by questioning > its key tenets. Most of us would call this liberalization progress. > For similar progress to occur in Islam, we must examine it, question > its key tenets, and yes, open it up to ridicule and satire. The > Danish cartoons were not particularly clever or insightful, but that > is not the point. The point is that in an open society, you are free > to make statements about arbitrary topics. I'm personally glad that > Americans and Europeans can make fun of Jesus and not get thrown in > jail, even though it might offend some. I look forward to the day > when a similar spirit of openness and tolerance can be found in all > parts of the ummah. > > ~j > > --=20 http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" Humans are genes' way of making more genes. -- Richard Dawkins ---712164092-255592967-1139215747=:7275--