X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k150Ikma030361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:18:46 -0500 Received: from workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu (workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.143]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k150Ii47025867; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:18:44 -0500 Received: FROM srvr22.engin.umich.edu (srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) BY workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 43E54462.17BA.24772 ; 4 Feb 2006 19:18:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.153] (c-68-42-103-33.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.42.103.33]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k150IflC029781 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E54461.8050902 Æ umich.edu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <43E53D0D.4020909 Æ umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <43E53D0D.4020909 Æ umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:18:41 -0500 To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Chris Kiekintveld Subject: Re: view the infamous cartoons, support free speech, buy legos Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 365 Some food for thought: 1) Note that is isn't the particular message of the cartoons that angers Muslims, but the reproduction of *any* image of the Prophet (my understanding is that this is considered blasphemy). 2) Very few people believe in absolute freedom of speech; even in the US we draw the line for hateful, obscene, and defamatory speech. I don't have a particular position on where the line should be drawn, but I doubt it would go over very well in the West if a Muslim paper published a cartoon of Jesus raping a four-year-old. Chris Matt Rudary wrote: > I completely agree with you that newspapers shouldn't be intimidated > into not printing this. It's a real shame, though, that the cartoons > aren't terribly clever or funny. This may be the reason that they > haven't been reprinted in US newspapers -- why print something insulting > to people without making a point? Further, I don't think US newspapers > have as much to worry about with respect to freedom of the press as > European papers do. It's thus more important to the European papers to > assert that right. > > Matt > > Daniel Reeves wrote: >> And by the way, I'm completely serious about this. I think this is a >> way that improvetheworld can literally improve the world. >> >> Also, please don't be shy about chiming in on this. Once the first >> message is sent it's really no more burden for people to delete the >> whole thread (as long as you leave the subject line intact). >> >> >> (PS, I can see from the web logs that lots of you have viewed the >> pictures already so don't pretend you're not listening! :) >> >> >> --- \/ FROM Daniel Reeves AT 06.02.04 17:03 (Today) \/ --- >> >>> A Danish newspaper recently published cartoons depicting Mohammed and >>> muslims as terrorists. Muslims are up in arms about it. In fact, >>> they've burnt down the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria, as a >>> start. >>> >>> It's all over the news but no US newspaper has the backbone to print >>> the cartoons. I guess terrorism works. So this is an opportunity to >>> fight for free speech by helping make sure the agenda of the radical >>> religious right backfires. And so, improvetheworld brings you: >>> >>> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/itw/mohammed >>> (or google improvetheworld) >>> >>> Oh, and since muslims are calling for boycotts of Danish products in >>> response to those cartoons, you should also buy more Danish stuff. >>> Like Legos. >>> >>> , >>> Danny >> >>