X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jA6NWFS8025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:32:15 -0500 Received: from ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu (ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.144]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jA6NWECU020585; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:32:14 -0500 Received: FROM skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.93.160]) BY ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 436E927C.9F9AF.11490 ; 6 Nov 2005 18:32:12 -0500 Received: FROM arkanoid.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (arkanoid.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.211]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 436E927B.DE9A5.27825 ; 6 Nov 2005 18:32:11 -0500 X-X-Sender: yvorobey Æ arkanoid.gpcc.itd.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <8d3580670511061503u69a167d9ib2695c5a18be7cc5 Æ mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20051105235102.ju1h68g8gowo88sw Æ web.mail.umich.edu> <8d3580670511061503u69a167d9ib2695c5a18be7cc5 Æ mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:32:11 -0500 (EST) To: Lisa Hsu cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Yevgeniy Vorobeychik Subject: Re: are you a feminist? Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 289 Hmm. On this level of abstraction, I certainly agree with you. I just don't think that's what it means to most people. This is why the "depends" option is key:) Eugene On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Lisa Hsu wrote: > i suppose this is a disagreement on level of abstraction. i don't think of > feminism as a political movement. i mean, there are elements of > politicalness to it, but at heart, i just think a feminist is just someone > who is essentially a humanist. someone who thinks all people are people > first, and equal under the eyes of god, if you believe in god. there are > other kinds of feminists i suppose, who battle specifically in the war > between men and women, but i'm more of the "by feminism, i mean a feminist > thinks a woman is as much a person as a man. by corollary, all races are as > much people as any other race, and any distinctions you might make between > people does not ever make them any less human." > > which is why, painted in this light, i believe you can either be a feminist > or a misogynist. it has nothing to do with methods or means in my mind, it's > just a basic belief system. > > lisa >