X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jA64pnS8029572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:51:49 -0500 Received: from galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu (galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.145]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jA64plS9029391; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:51:47 -0500 Received: FROM mohican.web.itd.umich.edu (mohican.web.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.149]) BY galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 436D8BB6.DA543.12658 ; 5 Nov 2005 23:51:02 -0500 Received: (from www Æ localhost) by mohican.web.itd.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) id jA64p2xY016799; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:51:02 -0500 Received: from jaxiest.student.umd.edu (jaxiest.student.umd.edu [129.2.147.159]) by web.mail.umich.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20051105235102.ju1h68g8gowo88sw Æ web.mail.umich.edu> References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6 X-IMP-Server: 141.211.144.203 X-Originating-IP: 129.2.147.159 X-Originating-User: mjste X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:51:02 -0500 To: Daniel Reeves Cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Michelle Sternthal Subject: Re: are you a feminist? Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 271 I am a feminist, proud to call myself that. I would even identify myself as a radical feminist. Not to the extent that I attribute all blame to men or argue for a matriarchy, but to the extent that I think merely equalizing pay or assuring equal representation in our political and judicial spheres will NOT solve the problem of mysogyny. I think that the very institutions in which we live currently foster discriminiation/oppression; a fundamental reexamination of hidden assumptions and social norms emerging from these institutions is neccessary to get to a new place. What does that mean in reality? Well, for example, the concept of professionalism in society and the values it fosters-- individualism, excessive consumption, a hierarchical system of work in which 1 form of intelligence is prioritized-- creates a system in which women must fit into traditional patriarchical roles in order to equalize. The notion of work/family strain, or the very nuclear family, reflects the remnants of traditional patriarchy. one can think of alternative models of work or kinship ((extended family, think of the kibbutz) in which women would not have to face this struggle or where other skills would be valued. Let's think of gender conceptions, and which institutions encourage these roles. From pre-birth, our children are given a gender. Religion, schools, everywhere with a public bathroom, highlight this distinction as one of the most important in society. To equalize the playing field, we must address these institutions as well and the messages they send.... In order to "subvert the dominant gender paradigm" (that's for you, Bethany and Danny) simply demanding laws to equalize pay will not be enough. The ideology behind this inequity must also be addressed. this is a war not of the law but of the mind.... michelle Quoting Daniel Reeves : > Quick show of hands for your basic attitude towards feminism (and > also I'm curious who all is reading along)? > > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld > > Don't forget to hit submit on the whiteboard. If you don't know what > that means, just read the poll at the link above and email me your > (ideally one-word) response. > > Thanks y'all! > Danny > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves" > > > -- Michelle Sternthal Joint Doctoral Program in Sociology & Public Policy University of Michigan 734-709-6650 (cell) mjste Æ umich.edu "We, unaccustomed to courage/ exiles from delight/ live coiled in shells of loneliness/ until love leaves its high holy temple/ and comes into our sight/ to liberate us into life." --Maya Angelou