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To: Andrew Reeves <andrew.reeves &AElig wayne.edu>
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From: John Kapusky <jjk514 &AElig gmail.com>
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I took a few years of Latin too. It was dead then, dead now, but helped my
voculbery. But 'Eat my Shorts' probably wasn't a phrase we used back when I
took it. Googling helps sort out all these useful new phrases.
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A218882

Meanwhile, if you are driven by a principle, you should not let gender or
past roadblocks get in the way. Carol and I just watched the movie 'Iron
Jawed Angels' about the suffragists who struggled to secure women's right t=
o
vote. As I watched this movie I thought of the women not as feminists, not
liberal, not democratic nor republican, but as principled -- driven. We
highly recommend it.
  On 10/14/05, Andrew Reeves <andrew.reeves &AElig wayne.edu> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your interesting response. I do not doubt that actual
> human personalities are a varying mix of the "masculine principle" (go
> out and get the bacon) vs. the "feminine principle" (stay home and tend
> the hearth), with nobody 100% one or the other. But these personality
> types were named as they are because of their superior biological
> suitability to play these roles, which is also the overwhelming present
> statistical distribution between the genders. I think it's perfectly all
> right if everyone follows his/her own inclinations which every now and
> then might go against the mainstream. I only object to societal
> pressures trying to force people into molds they do not fit into.
> Remember, this whole debate started with a report in the New York Times
> claiming that the trend in elite colleges these days favors stay-home
> moms over professionally active women during the reproductive years.
> Robert Felty suggested that this impression was deliberately created by
> biased choice of the interviewed subjects; Danny felt that it was a
> self-fulfilling prophecy with anti-feminist ulterior motives. Dave
> admitted that the trend may be genuine but he regarded it as an
> undesirable residue of ancient and now obsolete natural inclinations.
> It is only against these ideas that I voiced protest.
> By the way, I must admit shamefacedly that I do not understand
> "vescere bracis meis"! So much for my six years of school Latin.
> DANNY'S GRANDPA ANDREW
>
>


--
Regards,

John J. Kapusky

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<div>I took a few years of Latin too.&nbsp; It was dead then, dead now, but=
 helped my voculbery.&nbsp; But 'Eat my Shorts' probably wasn't a phrase we=
 used back when I took it.&nbsp; Googling helps sort out all these useful n=
ew phrases.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A218882">http://www.bbc.co.uk=
/dna/h2g2/A218882</a><br><br>Meanwhile, if you are driven by a principle, y=
ou should not let gender or past roadblocks get in the way.&nbsp; Carol and=
 I just watched the movie 'Iron Jawed Angels' about the suffragists who str=
uggled to secure women's right to vote.&nbsp; As I watched this movie I tho=
ught of the women not as&nbsp;feminists, not liberal, not democratic nor re=
publican, but as principled -- driven.&nbsp; We highly recommend it.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/14/05, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"=
>Andrew Reeves</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.reeves &AElig wayne.edu">andrew.re=
eves &AElig wayne.edu</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">&nbsp;&nbsp;Thank you for your i=
nteresting response. I do not doubt that actual<br>human personalities are =
a varying mix of the &quot;masculine principle&quot; (go
<br>out and get the bacon) vs. the &quot;feminine principle&quot; (stay hom=
e and tend<br>the hearth), with nobody 100% one or the other. But these per=
sonality<br>types were named as they are because of their superior biologic=
al
<br>suitability to play these roles, which is also the overwhelming present=
<br>statistical distribution between the genders. I think it's perfectly al=
l<br>right if everyone follows his/her own inclinations which every now and
<br>then might go against the mainstream. I only object to societal<br>pres=
sures trying to force people into molds they do not fit into.<br>Remember, =
this whole debate started with a report in the New York Times<br>claiming t=
hat the trend in elite colleges these days favors stay-home
<br>moms over professionally active women during the reproductive years.<br=
>Robert Felty suggested that this impression was deliberately created by<br=
>biased choice of the interviewed subjects; Danny felt that it was a<br>
self-fulfilling prophecy with anti-feminist ulterior motives. Dave<br>admit=
ted that the trend may be genuine but he regarded it as an<br>undesirable r=
esidue of ancient and now obsolete natural inclinations.<br>It is only agai=
nst these ideas that I voiced protest.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;By the way, I must admit shamefacedly that I do not underst=
and<br>&quot;vescere bracis meis&quot;! So much for my six years of school =
Latin.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;DANNY'S GRANDPA ANDREW<br><br></blockquote></div><br>=
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>Regards, <br><br>John J. Kapusky=20

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