X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.5 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9EH7H7E005800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:07:17 -0400 Received: from madman.mr.itd.umich.edu (madman.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.75]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j9EH7GcC002962; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:07:16 -0400 Received: FROM rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) BY madman.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 434FE5C0.1F459.2336 ; 14 Oct 2005 13:07:12 -0400 Received: from wayne.edu (pcp03672332pcs.grosep01.mi.comcast.net[68.40.104.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005101417071001400lt8p0e>; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: <434FE629.8F4ADABB Æ wayne.edu> Organization: Wayne State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051013184514.22211.qmail Æ web81901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:08:57 -0400 To: "Erica O'Connor" , improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Andrew Reeves Subject: Re: Masculinism Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 221 Thank you for your interesting response. I do not doubt that actual human personalities are a varying mix of the "masculine principle" (go out and get the bacon) vs. the "feminine principle" (stay home and tend the hearth), with nobody 100% one or the other. But these personality types were named as they are because of their superior biological suitability to play these roles, which is also the overwhelming present statistical distribution between the genders. I think it's perfectly all right if everyone follows his/her own inclinations which every now and then might go against the mainstream. I only object to societal pressures trying to force people into molds they do not fit into. Remember, this whole debate started with a report in the New York Times claiming that the trend in elite colleges these days favors stay-home moms over professionally active women during the reproductive years. Robert Felty suggested that this impression was deliberately created by biased choice of the interviewed subjects; Danny felt that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy with anti-feminist ulterior motives. Dave admitted that the trend may be genuine but he regarded it as an undesirable residue of ancient and now obsolete natural inclinations. It is only against these ideas that I voiced protest. By the way, I must admit shamefacedly that I do not understand "vescere bracis meis"! So much for my six years of school Latin. DANNY'S GRANDPA ANDREW