X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5NGFXlj025945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:15:33 -0400 Received: from informer.mr.itd.umich.edu (informer.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.72]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j5NGFV01008358; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:15:31 -0400 Received: FROM smtp838.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp838.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.25]) BY informer.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 42BAE01F.767BC.16481 ; 23 Jun 2005 12:15:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 93210 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 16:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.11?) (dmorris001 Æ ameritech.net Æ 141.212.196.127 with plain) by smtp838.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 16:15:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20050623153945.29630.qmail Æ web80704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <72356e7d8a1f8675b6b64d0ed69f94e4 Æ umich.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boston.eecs.umich.edu id j5NGFXlj025945 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:15:24 -0400 To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Dave morris Subject: Re: devotion to islam linked to support of terrorism Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 Sure. Look at this country and how many are in support of the bad things we are doing. All it takes is one bad leader. But also I would guess that this study's range of accuracy is limited to the war torn and poverty stricken regions of the middle east and not, for example, mosque attending Muslim's here in Ann Arbor. It could be an aspect of the sense of community provided by attending religious ceremonies more than the religion itself... as it makes more sense to give your life for something bigger if you feel like you're a part of and care about that community, more than if you are home alone watching television and don't care about your neighbors anyway. When your community is in a desperate situation, it drives you to desperate measures in support, whatever the basis of that community. Though of course yes, a few bad community leaders misinterpreting the holy book, certainly can help make things worse. Which is why the real solution to terrorist bombing is McDonalds, cold beer, and remote control. :-) Dave On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Lochner wrote: > how many pro-bombing mullah's would it really take to effect a positive > correlation? > > - kevin > > > "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." > -- G.W. Bush, --Reuters, May 5, 2000 (Thanks to Allison Fansler.) > > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Erica O'Connor wrote: > >> Given that this study is even ligitimate, sounds like >> it found something not all that surprising, namely, >> sitting around the house being devout isn't as >> inspiring to a would-be-suicide-terrorist-supporter as >> going to a big religious gathering of like-minded >> individuals every day. >> -Erica >> Quote included to to please Daniel anyway: >> "Man will not be free until the last king is strangled >> with the entrails of the last priest." >> -by I forget who, Diderot? >> >> >> --- Daniel Reeves wrote: >> >>> I'm not thinking about much else but thesis for next >>> several weeks but >>> this just struck me as amusing. My (cynical) take >>> is that a study linked >>> religiosity to terrorism and then they decided that >>> wasn't so PC so they >>> found some obscure religiosity metric that they >>> failed to correlate with >>> terrorism and used that as the headline to make it >>> sound like they found >>> the opposite of what they really found. Or more >>> likely the whole study's >>> just BS. Ok, I'm going back in my hole now. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: U-M News Service >>> >>> Subject: Michigan Today NewsE - June 2005 >>> >>> UofM News >>> >>> If you have trouble reading this email please visit: >>> http://www.umich.edu/NewsE/ June 2005 >>> >>> ... >>> >>> Personal devotion to Islam is unrelated to support >>> for suicide bombing >>> among Palestinian Muslims, according to a study at >>> the Institute for >>> Social Research. But the more often Muslims attended >>> mosques, the more >>> likely they were to support suicide terrorism. >>> (Islamic text image, from >>> U-M Museum of Art.) >>> >> >> > > Dave Morris University of Michigan EM PhD candidate, aka thecat Æ umich.edu, aka KB8PWY home: 734-995-5525 office (2104 SPRL): 734-763-5357 fax: 734-763-5567 ElectroDynamic Applications Inc. phone: (734) 786-1434 fax: (734) 786-3235 morris Æ edapplications.com