X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+aqi6MvGATEiUhaw6uWW5yhZlWLm8hBAM Æ newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3SHLelj005551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:21:41 -0400 Received: from threefriends.mr.itd.umich.edu (threefriends.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.143]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j3SHLaK5007251; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:21:36 -0400 Received: FROM boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) BY threefriends.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 42711B8F.EBEB2.9004 ; 28 Apr 2005 13:21:19 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3SHLJlj005539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:21:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id j3SHLJ5G005536; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:21:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <4270F0BE.F9330971 Æ wayne.edu> Message-ID: References: <4270F0BE.F9330971 Æ wayne.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:21:19 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew Reeves cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: Pope Benedict XVI Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 Absolutely, write that letter to the editor. Exactly what you wrote to improvetheworld would be perfect. The "working alongside" phrasing demonstrates shamefully biased reporting. Eugene (Yevgeniy) is right that the poop's innocent until proven guilty but my dad (Martin) is right that it's pretty suspicious. (and note that he didn't desert from the Nazi army till the last weeks of the war; however bold that still was, I think given his current title of "holy father", it's not unreasonable to expect more) In any case, sticking to what he's said and done in recent years, we can conclude that he's a nasty, intolerant person. I conclude that any interfaith dialog efforts must be for political reasons. Recall what he said about Turkey and Buddhism and "Christian Europe". And I learned something new from the article that Eugene sent: he basically accused the US media of making a mountain out of a molehill regarding priests raping children. How anyone could not have the exact opposite opinion is beyond me. I can't believe it was dropped with so little fuss. Like Rob pointed out, there's a lot of complacency surrounding all this and I think it will improve the world if we persist in pointing out the emperor's lack of clothing. And Catholics on this list, please do speak up. Danny --- \/ FROM Andrew Reeves AT 05.04.28 10:18 (Today) \/ --- > Of course it crossed my mind, too, that one could make a public issue of > this and at least write a "Letter to to the Editor" to Newsweek. Thus > far, I have not done that but my decision is not final. I would be > interested in hearing more comments from the "improvetheworld" crowd > especially Catholics. As for "derailing" the Pope--no chance of that; I > don't even see how one could get to the point of questioning him on > this. Anyhow, as you can remember from my former e-mail to this site it > is my opinion that a bad pope is what the world presently needs. > --Grandpa Andrew > > Martin Reeves wrote: > > > > It would be interesting to hear Ratzinger own memories of his time on the > > South-east Wall. I would construe any reluctance on his part to talk about > > it or vague answers to questions with a lot of 'I don't recall' in his > > answers to mean he was NOT an innocent bystander. Even if he was an > > innocent bystander, a truly righteous person should have extensively > > reported on the abuses he witnessed! Does that or any article say he did at > > least that? Is it possible that this story could escalate and 'derail' the > > new Pope and the Catholic Church? > > > > Martin Reeves > > > > CBT Companies Inc. > > Peoria and Moline, IL > > > > www.cbtcompanies.com > > > > Direct: (309) 495-1741 > > Toll Free: (800) 747-6500 > > Cell: (309) 453-2007 > > Fax: (309) 676-6068 > > > > Email mreeves Æ cbtmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Reeves [mailto:andrew.reeves Æ wayne.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:42 PM > > To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu > > Subject: Pope Benendict XVI > > > > NEWSWEEK magazine, current issue, contains a story on the early life of > > the new Pope and I quote from page 46 the following paragraph: > > > > "During the war, Ratzinger's firsthand experience with the > > German military were a boy's grim chronicles of helplessness > > and defeat. He had entered seminary at the age of 12, but was > > compelled to join the local Hitler Youth in 1941, when he was > > 14. At 17, he was building earthworks and tank traps alongside > > Jewish forced laborers near the Austro-Hungarian border." > > > > I was one of those Jewish forced laborers in the village of Fertorakos > > from November 1944 until March 1945 (for details, see Chapter 5 of my > > autobiography, section entitled "Slave Labor on the South-East Wall") > > and I can assure you with absolute certainty that no Gentile persons of > > any sort were "working alongside" us. The very idea would have appeared > > preposterous; we were treated and housed worse than animals. There were > > uniformed young kids among our SUPERVISORS, and I can tell you that > > typically they were just as cruel, hateful, and meanspirited as their > > elders--sometimes more so. Of course, there were some exceptions too, > > and once I even got a cupful of extra food from one of them. In any > > case, misrepresenting this experience as "working alongside" us is an > > outrageous insult which is not what one would expect from the POPE!!! > > > > Danny's Grandpa Andrew > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves"