X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+SohnXG+kV56QVZuMSueIImOQ8IEqukfQ Æ newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3L4Gblj003935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:16:38 -0400 Received: from neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu (neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.141]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j3L48ETo010654; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:08:14 -0400 Received: FROM uta.eecs.umich.edu (uta.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.12.205]) BY neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 42672917.22C32.2412 ; 21 Apr 2005 00:16:23 -0400 Received: from uta.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by uta.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j3L4GMBY031182; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:16:23 -0400 Received: (from soniv Æ localhost) by uta.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j3L4GMMe031180; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: <20050421041622.GA30560 Æ umich.edu> References: <42672189.261582EC Æ wayne.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by uta.eecs.umich.edu id j3L4GMBY031182 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boston.eecs.umich.edu id j3L4Gblj003935 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:16:22 -0400 To: Daniel Reeves Cc: Andrew Reeves , improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Vishal Soni Subject: Re: catholicism must be crushed Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 A friend of mine sent me this article: http://www.newint.org/issue327/worldbeaters.htm Its more of the same stuff, except maybe a little more explicit: "In 1997 Ratzinger annoyed Buddhists by calling their religion an ‘ autoerotic spirituality’ that offers ‘transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations’." Autoerotic? A little confused (maybe there's an interpretation of the word I'm unaware of), I consulted the dictionary: au·to·er·o·tism (ôt-r-tzm) or au·to·e·rot·i·cism (--rt-szm) n. 1. Self-satisfaction of sexual desire, as by masturbation. 2. The arousal of sexual feeling without an external stimulus. (source: www.dictionary.com) Funny guy, this new pope. -V On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:59:34PM -0400, Daniel Reeves wrote: > wow, sent my last email before I saw this. This is an absolutely > delightful response. > > and yes, I retract that "must be crushed" part. (it was a Voltaire > reference) > > --- \/ FROM Andrew Reeves AT 05.04.20 23:44 (Today) \/ --- > > > Danny: > > I think your animosity is ill-advised; I certainly oppose very > > strongly any attempt at "crushing" (whatever that means) because it > > would only cause the "circling of the wagons" by the faithful. > > Catholicism must be allowed to die peacefully, and it is my serious > > opinion that you and your generation will live to see that happening if > > you only leave it alone and let it expire by the weight of its own > > internal absurdities and prevarications. The election of Ratzinger was > > in my opinion an excellent step because it will only accelerate this > > process. I was actually trembling that they might elect a "moderate" > > Pope who would make concessions with the superficial problems such as > > celibacy (closely associated with priestly pedophilia) exclusion of > > females, and so forth which would keep the simpletons happy and thereby > > add a few decades to the moribund agonies of the church. In the > > meantime, of course, the core problems (tri-une God, Virgin Birth, > > transubstantiation) would remain untouched. Seeing that this is not what > > happened (and how promptly!) almost makes me believe in the Holy Spirit! > > To answer your questions: All militant religions are equally evil; > > Islam has in our time a slight edge because it blows up buildings which > > Catholicism has outgrown. I don't begrudge any cleric to think that his > > religion is the only true one and all the others are false; history > > shows that the smaller the difference the hotter the fury. Remember the > > "one iota" difference (homousion vs. homoiusion) between the Anathasians > > and Arians at the Council of Nicea? 50,000 people were massacred in one > > night which was quite a feat in the 4th century. Given the advances in > > weaponry even Osama has a lot to learn. --Grandpa Andrew > > > > > > > > Daniel Reeves wrote: > > > > > > Seriously, is there a greater force of evil in the world than the > > > catholic church? > > > > > > Couple blurbs from CNN about the new anti-gay, anti-feminist, > > > anti-contraception, anti-catholicity pope: > > > > > > Ratzinger has said modernity led to a blurring of sexual identity, > > > causing some feminists to become adversaries of men. He labeled > > > homosexuality "an intrinsic moral evil." > > > > > > He argued that Muslim Turkey did not belong in Christian Europe and > > > issued a document saying that Catholicism was the only true religion, > > > questioning the validity of other religions, even Christian ones, even > > > as his Pope John Paul II was trying to reach out to other faiths. > > > > > > -- > > > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves" > > > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves" > > "There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as the > Dark Ages." -- Ruth Hermence Green (Women Without Superstition) > > >