X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RCVD_IN_SORBS,SMILEY autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Sender: -0.2 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l94K8Yux008189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:08:34 -0400 Received: from anniehall.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.176.130]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94K7vf9027339; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:07:57 -0400 Received: FROM web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.186]) BY anniehall.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4705482D.F01E.12022 ; 4 Oct 2007 16:08:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 18613 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 19:08:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OE4u7NJLkCi6ZZa0AT2qsePJsDZmkuEzwCBs07KV7f1MSq9yXcsgJ2JiWJ0Z7YLncDB2eiXtXzuQfHJBmE/HscqCxoW427c3z396p0vjF4lMf8qQmVGnTSnKSrZABoxP/MyetbLfs5LSm9AnKz9Z4DYng8AxesWnilu7hRsKaMA=; X-YMail-OSG: 5enaGt0VM1mYmzsTj3_fkr8agbIizkeAuVdVv_IY0oEqbvpv.bPu8to199KkGnWpeEw527muRw-- Received: from [68.40.254.6] by web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:08:10 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <165131.18224.qm Æ web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: "Erica O'Connor" Subject: Re: Good article (religion vs science) Daniel, I take it you are no longer a feminist either? If I remember correctly you once had this bumper sticker. "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." ~Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler -Erica Daniel: yeah, I was thinking of relating this back to the feminism/labels debate but after all the work to get those worms back in the can... :) I'm still a bit torn actually -- the other side of the argument still makes sense to me too, that having the label "atheist" has value as a label to rally around in opposition to the dangerous lunacy that is religion. Basically all the reasons Dawkins gives for getting non-religious people out of the closet.