X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MR_DIFF_MID autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Sender: -1.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l93Jauux016094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:36:56 -0400 Received: from jeffrey.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.14.132]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93JaLkL015705; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:36:21 -0400 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY jeffrey.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4703EF3F.DF677.22072 ; 3 Oct 2007 15:36:32 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93JZqcs015576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:35:52 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l93JaJux016054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:36:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id l93JaHIY016051; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:36:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Uluc Saranli cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: Good article (religion vs science) Thanks Uluc. In related news, I'm no longer an atheist. Sam Harris just changed my mind about this. Or perhaps put into words a conclusion I gradually came to over the past couple years: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2007/10/the_problem_with_atheism.html This reminds me of Steve Levitt's bewilderment at the recent spate of anti-God books (Dennett, Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Paulos, Stenger) [1]. It's like writing a book called "Why Bird-Watching is a Waste of Time". Who would buy that book? It's not going to dissuade bird watchers and everyone else already agrees and doesn't need to read a book about it! (I think Levitt is wrong but I found that hilarious.) Danny [1] By the way, all of those authors (except Stenger; he sounds good too, from reviews, but I don't know first-hand) are brilliant and really fun to read. > http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml > > It is titled "Science and the Islamic worldThe quest for rapprochement" by > Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy in the department of physics at Quaid-i-Azam > University in Islamabad, Pakistan. -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" A computer, to print out a fact, Will divide, multiply, and subtract. But this output can be No more than debris, If the input was short of exact. -- Gigo