X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l8A1qMux004003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:52:23 -0400 Received: from ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.176.133]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8A1ppUF002148; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:51 -0400 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46E4A346.AAF2B.3748 ; 9 Sep 2007 21:52:06 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8A1pT6T002091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:29 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l8A1pqux003973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id l8A1pp6B003970; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <956637.1116.qm Æ web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.2 (2007-07-23) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) To: James W Mickens cc: cameron wicklow , improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: mind the gap Yes yes, I said early on that we have to tax externalities. Very important; totally with you on this. Everyone should pay any costs they impose on society and things like pollution and congestion taxes are the right way to do that. The factory worker example doesn't make sense to me though. The factory owner pays the worker the market price for the labor/expertise they are contributing. No problem there. --- \/ FROM James W Mickens AT 07.09.09 21:45 (Today) \/ --- >> Generating wealth (producing a good or service) does not hurt any one. If >> the new product or service is produced more efficiently or is more >> desirable than the other products on the market, it may change the >> conditions that other people had been previously exploiting to create >> wealth. But, it does not negatively impact another person's current >> wealth. > > This isn't true. For example, wealth-generating factories may create > pollutants. These pollutants can negatively impact my environmental wealth, > e.g., if I own a fishery that is downstream of your dumping pipe. My ability > to grow fish, i.e., my ability to generate wealth, is hurt by your ability to > make wealth. As another example, generating wealth for shareholders may be > inversely related to generating wealth for the actual workers in the company. > If the company produces a more efficient service because my wages have been > slashed, but this newfound efficiency increases the wealth of the > stockholders, then I've lost wealth as a result of others gaining it. > > ~j > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" There are three kinds of men: The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.