X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l884d4ux023050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:39:04 -0400 Received: from dave.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.14.131]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l884cW4R005067; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:38:32 -0400 Received: FROM bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) BY dave.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46E22756.C19C1.28603 ; 8 Sep 2007 00:38:47 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.19.92]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:38:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 76.170.117.138 by bl116fd.blu116.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:38:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.170.117.138] X-Originating-Email: [erevesz Æ hotmail.com] X-Sender: erevesz Æ hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1189093182.28315.51.camel Æ hactar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2007 04:38:45.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[242291E0:01C7F1D2] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.2 (2007-07-23) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:38:41 -0700 To: etalviti Æ eecs.umich.edu, improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: "Eva Revesz" Subject: Re: candidate calculator Erik, I totally agree with you. So who fills that bill in your eyes? I'd say Hillary,no? Trixie >From: Erik Talvitie >To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu >Subject: Re: candidate calculator >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:39:42 -0400 > > > According to yootles.com/candicalc we are overwhelmingly in favor of > > Kucinich, as are (to a lesser extent) the other 150,000 people who > > answered those same questions. The selectsmart page (linked to at the >top > > of yootles.com/candicalc) says I like Ron Paul the best. > >Here's the thing about these calculators: they seem to assume that your >ideal candidate is...you. To me, that's kind of an odd place to start >from. I mean, obviously it is true that I take the political positions I >take because I believe if the government were to take the same >positions, we'd be a better nation for it. That said, I fully recognize >that if I could perform a government transplant and replace our current >one with one that agreed with me on every issue, we'd have a big problem >on our hands. Because *most* people don't agree with me on at least some >issue that is really important to them, and everything would just grid >to a halt. So really I'd much rather have a government that most people >can get along with, but one that is walking in my direction and bringing >the nation with it. > >So when both calculators tell me Kucinich is the best candidate for me >(yootles: 58, selectsmart: 98), I can see where they're coming from. I >*like* Kucinich. I like what we has to say and I love to hear him speak. >I think he's the most legitimately liberal candidate in the field. And >that's why I would never vote for him. He can't even sell his platform >to moderate dems, let alone die-hard conservatives. If he managed to >magically get to the oval office, he'd be a complete waste of time. He'd >never get anything done because no congressperson (democrat or >republican) who wanted to get re-elected could have anything to do with >him. The same goes for Gravel and Paul too, as far as I'm concerned. >They all have great ideas for the Perfect America but they give no >indication that they will be able to put that agenda aside and work with >the contentious, confused, inertial country we've got right now. We've >just suffered through 8 years of an ideological, bull-headed president >who knows what's best for everyone, despite abysmal approval ratings. I >don't want a repeat, even if I share the ideology this time around. > >So when I'm looking at candidates, I'm not looking for the one that is >the best reflection of me, I'm looking for the one that will best >champion my overall values to everyone else. I'd like the candidate who >is most likely to be able to convince the nation as a whole that a >couple of steps to the left ("and then a jump to the ri-i-i-i-ight!") in >our policies will do us all some good. Even though I don't agree with >them issue for issue (and even on some issues that are really important >to me) I actually think the Democratic front-runners are probably the >best we've got using that criterion (and maybe Biden too, if he could >just gain some traction). > >Just my 2 pyoonies. > >Erik > _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1