X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l86G78ux003538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:07:08 -0400 Received: from galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.176.134]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86G6acg010091; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:36 -0400 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46E02592.B09E8.486 ; 6 Sep 2007 12:06:42 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86G6BI4009997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:11 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l86G6Xux003534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id l86G6W4B003531; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <1189093182.28315.51.camel Æ hactar> Message-ID: References: <582561.78990.qm Æ web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2ff07e720709051135y423738cci55b2cdcbb5a6aac0 Æ mail.gmail.com> <1189093182.28315.51.camel Æ hactar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.2 (2007-07-23) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:32 -0400 (EDT) To: Erik Talvitie cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: candidate calculator Would adding the criterion "not a bull-headed ideologue" fix this? And what do you think of my ITW Endorsement Pre-commitment idea? --- \/ FROM Erik Talvitie AT 07.09.06 11:39 (Today) \/ --- >> According to yootles.com/candicalc we are overwhelmingly in favor of >> Kucinich, as are (to a lesser extent) the other 150,000 people who >> answered those same questions. The selectsmart page (linked to at the top >> of yootles.com/candicalc) says I like Ron Paul the best. > > Here's the thing about these calculators: they seem to assume that your > ideal candidate is...you. To me, that's kind of an odd place to start > from. I mean, obviously it is true that I take the political positions I > take because I believe if the government were to take the same > positions, we'd be a better nation for it. That said, I fully recognize > that if I could perform a government transplant and replace our current > one with one that agreed with me on every issue, we'd have a big problem > on our hands. Because *most* people don't agree with me on at least some > issue that is really important to them, and everything would just grid > to a halt. So really I'd much rather have a government that most people > can get along with, but one that is walking in my direction and bringing > the nation with it. > > So when both calculators tell me Kucinich is the best candidate for me > (yootles: 58, selectsmart: 98), I can see where they're coming from. I > *like* Kucinich. I like what we has to say and I love to hear him speak. > I think he's the most legitimately liberal candidate in the field. And > that's why I would never vote for him. He can't even sell his platform > to moderate dems, let alone die-hard conservatives. If he managed to > magically get to the oval office, he'd be a complete waste of time. He'd > never get anything done because no congressperson (democrat or > republican) who wanted to get re-elected could have anything to do with > him. The same goes for Gravel and Paul too, as far as I'm concerned. > They all have great ideas for the Perfect America but they give no > indication that they will be able to put that agenda aside and work with > the contentious, confused, inertial country we've got right now. We've > just suffered through 8 years of an ideological, bull-headed president > who knows what's best for everyone, despite abysmal approval ratings. I > don't want a repeat, even if I share the ideology this time around. > > So when I'm looking at candidates, I'm not looking for the one that is > the best reflection of me, I'm looking for the one that will best > champion my overall values to everyone else. I'd like the candidate who > is most likely to be able to convince the nation as a whole that a > couple of steps to the left ("and then a jump to the ri-i-i-i-ight!") in > our policies will do us all some good. Even though I don't agree with > them issue for issue (and even on some issues that are really important > to me) I actually think the Democratic front-runners are probably the > best we've got using that criterion (and maybe Biden too, if he could > just gain some traction). > > Just my 2 pyoonies. > > Erik > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" Build a man a fire, and he's warm for the rest of the evening. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.