X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l8505Iux007871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:05:18 -0400 Received: from icestorm.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.176.135]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8504nEB005149; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:04:49 -0400 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY icestorm.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46DDF2B0.C9FB.2481 ; 4 Sep 2007 20:05:04 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8504YOt005096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:04:35 -0400 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l8504uux007861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:04:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id l8504uxb007858 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:04:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.2 (2007-07-23) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:04:56 -0400 (EDT) To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: mind the gap This is what is so awesome about improvetheworld. These debates actually *get* somewhere! Seriously, I'm excited about this. :) Let's pause for a straw poll: http://dreeves.wufoo.com/forms/mind-the-gap/ --- \/ FROM James W Mickens AT 07.09.04 16:51 (Today) \/ --- >> And I don't think you clarified what James is saying. He said that more >> real wealth to billionaires does directly hurt poor people. I'd like to >> hear the chain of causality he has in mind. > > According to Graham, "wealth is not money. Money is just a convenient way of > trading one form of wealth for another. Wealth is the underlying stuff---the > goods and services we buy." The underlying stuff, the goods and services, are > constrained resources. For example, using a wealth resource in one way often > prevents its use in a different way; real estate that is used to build a > library can't be used to build a sports stadium. Wealth is also constrained > by the rate at which it can be produced. There are a finite number of > automobiles that can be produced per month. There are a finite number of > hours that doctors can spend treating patients. These figures may improve > over time, but they will still be finite. This means that many types of > wealth are scarce. Ergo, distribution matters. In particular, skewed wealth > distributions directly hurt poor people because there is a finite amount of > wealth for everyone to share, and giving a unit of wealth to one person is > equivalent to taking it away from someone else. Thus, the Daddy Model of > Wealth is not totally broken. Wealth is not money, but many types of wealth > *are* constrained by natural limits. > > A society's wealth can grow over time, but it will never be infinite. Thus, > there will never be enough wealth to maximize everyone's utility. But given > diminishing utility returns on wealth accumulation, sound public policy > should ensure that wealth imbalances do not grow too large. > > ~j > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.