X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: -2.599 Required: 5 X-Spam-Summary: BAYES_00 Sender: -2.599 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from smtp.eecs.umich.edu (smtp.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.43]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0EG46he022558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:04:07 -0500 Received: from oilandwater.mr.itd.umich.edu (oilandwater.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.145]) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0E1OYUL001309; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:24:34 -0500 Received: FROM boston.eecs.umich.edu (boston.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.61]) BY oilandwater.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 41E71DBD.23E6D.29595 ; 13 Jan 2005 20:17:49 -0500 Received: from boston.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0E1Hmhe002845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (dreeves Æ localhost) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id j0E1HmSB002842; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: boston.eecs.umich.edu: dreeves owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: dreeves Æ boston.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <798EE836-60E5-11D9-B84D-000A95DA4C4C Æ umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <798EE836-60E5-11D9-B84D-000A95DA4C4C Æ umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 141.213.4.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by boston.eecs.umich.edu id j0EG46he022558 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 (EST) To: Dave morris cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Daniel Reeves Subject: Re: It appears that Bush okayed torture of prisoners Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 Dave and I talked about this more in person the other day. Leaving Bush out of it, it's shameful the way the US is arrogantly flouting international law (like the Geneva Conventions). We need to generate more outrage about this. Danny --- \/ FROM Dave morris AT 05.01.07 14:51 (Friday) \/ --- > http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/6260/1/245/ > > So when do we start the impeachment hearings? > > Dave > > > Due to overwhelming demand People's Weekly World Newspaper Online > PWW.ORG is temporarily only serving the following article > > Memo reveals Bush OKd torture > > by Tim Wheeler >   > > WASHINGTON During confirmation hearings on Alberto Gonzales nomination > as Attorney General, senators should question him about a recently > uncovered memo that George W. Bush ordered the torture of detainees at > Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and other military prisons around the world, > several human rights groups suggested last month. > > The groups, who joined in an ACLU Freedom of Information (FOIA) > lawsuit, which won release of the memo and other incriminating > documents, are describing it as the smoking gun implicating Bush in the > torture scandal. > > ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero released the memo Dec. 20 in > New York. That document, a December 2003 FBI internal e-mail, suggests > that Bush issued a secret Executive Order authorizing the use of > extreme coercive measures in interrogation, including sleep > deprivation, stress positions, attack dogs, and use of hoods to > intimidate prisoners. The Geneva Convention Against Torture bans all of > these practices. > > These documents raise grave questions about where the blame for > widespread detainee abuse ultimately rests, Romero said. Top government > officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by pointing the > finger at a few low-ranking soldiers. > > The human rights groups statement called on the Senate to scrutinize > Gonzales, the White House Legal Counsel, on a Jan. 25, 2002, memo he > wrote to Bush arguing that the Geneva Conventions outlawing torture did > not apply to the war in Afghanistan. Gonzales described the conventions > as quaint and obsolete. > > In August 2002, Gonzales, without consulting military and State > Department experts in the laws of torture and war, according to the > Washington Post, approved a memo from the Justice Department claiming > that unlawful enemy combatants could be detained indefinitely without > criminal charges or the right of due process. The memo, the Post said, > gave CIA interrogators the legal blessings they sought. > > Physicians for Human Rights, winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize, is > one of the groups in the ACLU lawsuit. PHR sent a letter to the Senate > Judiciary Committee signed by 150 doctors with expertise in the > treatment of torture. There should be no place in the U.S. government > for any official who condones the crime of torture, the letter stated. > > Gretchen Borchelt, a PHR spokesperson, joined in the call for probing > Bushs role in the torture scandal. It would be great to question > Gonzales about that memo, she said. There are a number of documents the > senators have asked for and have not received yet. We think this is a > hugely important issue not just because of the nomination of Gonzales > but also because the questions about torture have not been resolved. > There has been no accountability. > > Gonzales asserted Bushs right to order the torture of detainees, a > position that violates U.S. treaty obligations under the Convention > Against Torture and other international agreements, PHR said. > > Wilson Woody Powell, executive director of St. Louis-based Veterans > For Peace, another group in the lawsuit, told the World in a telephone > interview that they are now examining the documents, which they > recently received. > > Since Gonzales was Bushs legal adviser at the time, it would make > sense to ask him about that memo, Powell said. It would be a good > question: what was Bushs role in the torture? > > If our nations highest law enforcement officer is known for abrogating > international law in the treatment of detainees, we are just confirming > to the world that we dont care about human rights. We would be > confirming a criminal, a scofflaw, to be the nations chief prosecutor. > > Powell pointed out that the U.S. is a signatory to the Convention > Against Torture as a matter of self-protection. I fully anticipate > someone is going to capture some American soldiers and do unto them > what we have done unto others. We have a deep concern for how our > soldiers are going to be treated if they are captured given the record > of torture at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and other detention centers, > Powell said. Thousands of detainees have been held without trial > because the administration lacks evidence to try them or even bring > criminal charges. > > MoveOn.org, the Internet activist group, has posted a petition on its > website demanding that Gonzales sign a Declaration Against Torture and > renounce his extreme and dangerous position that torture is a > legitimate method of interrogation. The petition calls on Gonzales to > reaffirm American respect for human dignity and the rule of law. > > The administration is feeling so much heat on the subject that they > posted, unannounced, on a U.S. government website, a new policy > repudiating the earlier memos and calling torture abhorrent both to > American law and values and to international norms. > > On the eve of his confirmation hearings, Gonzales appeared to be > covering his previous actions by releasing a prepared statement saying > he would abide by international treaties prohibiting torture of > prisoners. His Senate testimony was obtained by The Associated Press. > > greenerpastures21212 Æ yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Morris > University of Michigan EM PhD candidate, aka thecat Æ umich.edu, aka > KB8PWY > home: 734-995-5525 office (2104 SPRL): 734-763-5357 fax: 734-763-5567 > Electrodynamic Applications Incorporated > phone: (734) 786-1434 fax: (734) 786-3235 > morris Æ edapplications.com > -- http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves"