X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET autolearn=no version=3.2.0-r431796 Sender: -1.0 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id kAL34vTK012054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:04:57 -0500 Received: from eyewitness.mr.itd.umich.edu (mx.umich.edu [141.211.176.131]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kAL34r31018414; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:04:53 -0500 Received: FROM mrout1.yahoo.com (mrout1.yahoo.com [216.145.54.171]) BY eyewitness.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45626CD1.56AAB.21508 ; 20 Nov 2006 22:04:49 -0500 Received: from SNV-XCHMAIL2.xch.corp.yahoo.com (snv-xch3.xch.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.227.242]) by mrout1.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/y.out) with ESMTP id kAL34dRn014568; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:04:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=x-mimeole:content-class:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:x-ms-has-attach: x-ms-tnef-correlator:thread-topic:thread-index:from:to:cc; b=SDUV1pQum6J/d6ZBYmqyH0+jEIItmrKY58L1g02MhGp4QLVNh2aZXUxIG+9FW7Wf X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <959DC0987E39DB43B963EA5ADC9E1A2901405CC7 Æ SNV-XCHMAIL2.xch.corp.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Yootles Thread-Index: AccM+OKn+ri+O557SgiHImU4Hz97lQAH35YQ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r431796 (2006-08-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boston.eecs.umich.edu id kAL34vTK012054 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:04:39 -0800 To: , "Daniel Reeves" Cc: , , "bethany soule" , From: "michael schwarz" Subject: RE: Yootles Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 873 These are great questions. Strangely, it is your "Philosophical" question, that is the easiest to answer (the answer to the two other questions are closely related). The basic idea is that the value of the dollars is determined by the number of dollars in circulation (as well as by the velocity of money, that is the amount of time that a dollar on average spends in your pocket). If the government were to double the number of dollars in circulation (by using printing press etc) the price of a cup of coffee will double etc... Similarly, if the interest rate goes up but the number of dollars in circulation remains the same you will keep less money in your pockets and the price of coffee will increase etc. This is a bit of an oversimplification but the basic idea is that scarcity gives value to a dollar. Michael -----Original Message----- From: ykouskoulas Æ comcast.net [mailto:ykouskoulas Æ comcast.net] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:09 PM To: Daniel Reeves; michael schwarz Cc: yootopia-discuss Æ yahoo-inc.com; ykouskoulas Æ gmail.com; bethany soule; improvetheworld Æ umich.edu Subject: Re: Yootles I've had the flu for the last couple weeks, (yuk!) so I only saw and was able to respond to your e-mail recently. I enjoy thought experiments and exploring ideas like this, so I hope you don't mind the questions... Michael's comment about gaming the system by deliberately going bankrupt is an interesting one. > let me start by claiming that yootles do not in > fact need to be tied to anything of value. Yes, let me work on understanding this one better before we talk about the level playing field. So I can ask some questions: 1. Practical usage question: If yootles are not tied to anything of value, how do I know how much each is worth? I don't know how to come up with a number in negotiations without having an idea about its value. I.e. is a backrub worth 20 or 2000 yootles? 2. Stabilization of value over time question: If I just start by throwing out a number, is there an expectation that the value of a yootle will stabilize as the currency is used over time? Or does the worth of a yootle fluctuate from month to month? 3. Philosophical, 'how does currency get its value' question: I was given to understand, based on economics classes that I took that currencies got their values by being tied to something else of value (a good or service). If yootles are not tied to anything of value, how do they get their value? Mabye some economists (Michael?) could chime in here to elaborate or correct my understanding of this. How do currencies get their value? Do I just have the wrong idea here? If so, what is the right idea? Phrasing the question in another way, "why is a dollar bill in my pocket today valued such that I can buy a cup of coffee* with it, and not a new computer?" What determines its value? -Yanni * Ok, a cheap cup of coffee, not at starbucks.