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To: Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu>
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From: Uluc Saranli <saranli &AElig cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
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Dan,

Why don't you setup a wiki, together with a mailman mailing list for 
this community? I have used dokuwiki with great success for a website I 
designed (http://www.zicev.org.tr/en:start, which you know of) as well as 
my research group here in Bilkent University (see 
http://pcsaranli.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/dokuwiki for an idea on how it looks, 
sorry, only me and my group can access the content :))

With a bit of effort and buy-in from group members, it can become a great 
repository for various discussions an their outcomes. On top of it all, it 
allows complete access control over the content so you don't need to worry 
about google or yahoo :) archiving sensitive discussions.

All you need for dokuwiki is a PHP enabled web server. It keeps content as 
plain text, so you don't even need mysql or any other database engine. 
Mailman is a bit harder to setup, but probably worth it since it 
automatically does all the archiving for you. Once again, you can impose 
access limitations for the archives.

In fact, I will even go ahead and offer to host both for you here until 
you can reserve a world-accessible machine running linux somewhere. 
Unless, of course, there would be objection to hosting such sensitive 
content in a dubious third-world country like Turkey :)

- Uluc

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Daniel Reeves wrote:

> I took it down as soon as I saw the email this morning.
> Here's a private link to it:
>  http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld/mboxparser
>
> Rob and I were very careful to make sure no email addresses were 
> spam-harvestable but we didn't anticipate objections to the content of 
> messages being searchable.
>  I really feel they should be.  The ideas put forth on this list are 
> powerful, poignant, and world-changing.  I'm not exaggerating.  This stuff 
> needs to be public!
>
> How's this for a compromise:  read through everything you've written and let 
> me know in a week if there's anything you'd like deleted or updated or 
> clarified before the archives go public.
> And from now on, if there's anything you'd like to say off the record, just 
> send to improvetheworld-noarchive &AElig umich.edu instead of 
> improvetheworld &AElig umich.edu.
>
> (I'll take silence as assent.)
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Danny
>
> --- \/   FROM Kevin Lochner AT 06.11.02 10:05 (Today)   \/ ---
>
>> we can just have a rule that no one links to the board from any of their 
>> web-pages, then it's not reachable by google or whoever.
>> 
>> we could also password-protect the board.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Lisa Hsu wrote:
>> 
>>> as cool as searchable archives are, i'm kind of with claire on this
>>> one...i'm not particularly excited about the idea of some google search 
>>> for
>>> my name to turn up some of those archives.  anything we can do about that?
>>> i like the new format (nice job rob), i'm not so on board with the eminent
>>> accessibility.
>>> 
>>> lisa
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/06, Clare Dibble <clare.dibble &AElig gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Rob did a nice job making sense of the last two years of conversation, 
>>>> but
>>>> it made me think twice about what is public about my views.  Did any of 
>>>> you
>>>> have the same reaction?
>>>> 
>>>> I believe everything I have said and my posts don't seem to be
>>>> embarrassing in any context I can currently imagine.  But things can be
>>>> taken out of context.  As a place to hone our ideas and a forum for free
>>>> discussion, I feel hesitant to have potential employers or dates (if this
>>>> had been around back when I was dating) or other people I might know
>>>> casually know opinions on deep and sensitive subjects without me knowing
>>>> they even found it.  Bloggers seem to think sharing is the way to go, but
>>>> many others don't participate precisely because they can't control what
>>>> happens to the information once it is out in cyberspace. In the age of
>>>> google (and yahoo, Danny), is the internet a safe place to develop a 
>>>> social
>>>> conscience?
>>>> 
>>>> Clare
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/1/06, Robert Felty <robfelty &AElig umich.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Danny has been keeping archives of all the improvetheworld messages
>>>> > since the beginning (almost 2 years ago now), but they have been in a
>>>> > very inaccessible format (just one big text file). Danny gave me the
>>>> > challenge of making them more accessible, so I would now like to
>>>> > point you to the new archive:
>>>> > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld/archives
>>>> >
>>>> > Now if you would like to find something clever that one of the
>>>> > members once wrote, it should be much easier. Please let me know if
>>>> > you have any problems using it. One TODO item is to add search
>>>> > functionality, so be on the lookout for that in the not too distant
>>>> > future.
>>>> >
>>>> > Enjoy.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rob (improving improvetheworld)
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Robert Felty http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robfelty
>>>> > <http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Erobfelty>
>>>> >
>>>> > "Holy kleenex, Batman! It was right under our nose and we
>>>> > blew it!" -- Robin
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>
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