X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r431796 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k9UGQQnw031643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:26:26 -0500 Received: from ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu (ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.144]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UGQMI8030334; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:26:23 -0500 Received: FROM hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.81]) BY ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4546279B.706A9.19185 ; 30 Oct 2006 11:26:03 -0500 Received: FROM [192.168.1.114] (Unknown [64.9.221.37]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4546275E.DC21A.2248 ; 30 Oct 2006 11:25:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r431796 (2006-08-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boston.eecs.umich.edu id k9UGQQnw031643 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:25:01 -0500 To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Dave Morris Subject: Re: social welfare + fairness + knowledge Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 826 I think that it's important to note that 2 & 3, while distinct and interesting components of the discussion, are in fact subsets of 1, which could be rephrased in it's general sense as "maximization of utility" if you don't want to treat only the defined subset of "human". :-) On Oct 28, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote: > Based on off-line discussion with my grandfather, I propose that there > are only three fundamental principles worth fighting for in human > society: > 1. Social Welfare > 2. Fairness > 3. The Search for Knowledge > > (This started with an argument about the parental retort "who says > life's supposed to be fair?") > > (1 and 2 are distinct because if we're all equally miserable, that's > fair but not welfare maximizing. Likewise, of the methods for > dividing > a cake, for example, the method of "I get all of it" maximizes the > sum > of our utilities, but we nonetheless prefer splitting it in half.) > > Is there a number 4? > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" > > > David P. Morris, PhD Senior Engineer, ElectroDynamic Applications, Inc. morris Æ edapplications.com, (734) 786-1434, fax: (734) 786-3235