X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r431796 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8NKnGnw022664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:17 -0400 Received: from madman.mr.itd.umich.edu (madman.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.75]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8NKnEar020598; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:14 -0400 Received: FROM out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) BY madman.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45159DC6.BCD7B.10426 ; 23 Sep 2006 16:49:10 -0400 Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99953DA96B4; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:11 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: IKaxy48zed9vn7+fYVc+oWx9z46dn7K70zXr3IaVy98V 1159044551 Received: from [192.168.1.170] (ppp-67-124-88-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.88.209]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE72E31; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <45159A7F.8000104 Æ umich.edu> References: <20060923201700.49941.qmail Æ web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45159A7F.8000104 Æ umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E4F1CE3-87F6-4207-970D-0E68530A7CE2 Æ eecs.umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r431796 (2006-08-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:48:59 -0700 To: Anthony Nicholson Cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Joshua J Estelle Subject: Re: The most likely cause of the infected spinach: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 756 Another interesting article in the SF Chronicle: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/23/MNGOGLBFOB1.DTL It talks about the history of E. Coli, and how the problem is really with any mass produced food, and how it started with McDonalds burger specials in 1982. Its become a problem with meat first because meat mass produced much earlier than vegetables have. They also made the interesting point that if you cook meat at a high enough temperature you can kill bacteria, but this often isn't an option with vegetables, which are often eaten raw or cooked at lower temperatures. I certainly think the solution is eating more locally grown produce and meats, avoiding mass produced food. Cheers, Josh On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Anthony Nicholson wrote: > Those of you interested in eating naturally-raised meat in Ann > Arbor, check out Bob's butcher shop in the Kerrytown market. He > gets all his meat from friends of his who run natural farms. grass- > fed beef, organic-grain fed chickens, etc.... it's a bit pricier > but I'd rather eat it a bit less often to offset the cost. > > Daniel Reeves wrote: >> Yeah, factory farms are a bit gruesome and nasty. >> Want to add yourselves on this continuum from Erica to James Mickens: >> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld >> --- \/ FROM Erica O'Connor AT 06.09.23 13:17 (Today) \/ --- >>> cows fattened on feedlot grain. The New York Times >>> article is short and describes the broader threat >>> posed to human health and the environment by >>> industrial farming practices. >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/opinion/21planck.html >>> So, who's up for a boycott of feedlot beef/dairy? The >>> alternatives are grass fed animals (organic doesn't >>> necessarily count) or a diet which avoids these animal >>> products. Maybe Daniel will institute one of his >>> famous polls for this issue. :-) >>> -Erica