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Thanks for sending that link.  I am definitely an advocate of helmets,
depsite being the one that posted the link you're referring to...  I think
the point of the original article was that you *might* be a little less
likely to get in an accident if you're not wearing a helmet, since the
drivers seemed to give more room when passing.  It certainly did not address
the issue that if you got in an accident, you're more likely to be seriously
injured or killed without a helmet.

As a simplistic example, let's say that if you're wearing a helmet, you have
a 25% chance of getting in an accident, as opposed to 10% without a helmet.
(I'm making these numbers up.)  And we'll say that, if in an accident, the
chance of brain damage or death is 50% without a helmet, but 10% with.  So,
combining the probabilities, we have 2.5% chance of brain damage or death
with a helmet, but 5% chance with -- twice as likely according to these
probabilities that I pulled out of by backside!  (If someone has real
numbers to use here, that would be really interesting to see!)

I skated for 10 years (recreationally) without a helmet before I had an
epiphany and realized how stupid it was.  Roadrash and broken bones can
heal, but a broken brain is an entirely different problem!

Of course, there is the website http://www.cyclehelmets.org/ that refutes
the need for helmets when cycling.  I wonder if there are any statistics on
overall helmet usage to go with the report you linked to.  For example, the
statistic about 97% of fatalities involving someone not wearing a helmet
could be a bit skewed if the vast majority of cyclists don't wear helmets.

Anyway, this is all great info...  It amazes me when I'm skating on the
bikepath and I see other skaters wearing every piece of protective gear ever
invented -- except a helmet!  Not *that's* crazy no matter how you look at
it!

I'd like to post your email (and this one) as a follow-up to the original
blog entry on rsn2, if that's okay with you...  That way, the information is
there, and search-able for anyone that might stumble onto it.

And, hey, at least being a woman the article says you're less likely to get
hit too -- so you'e got that going for you!  (Although maybe it doesn't
apply for skaters...)

- Mark


On 9/22/06, bethany soule <bsoule &AElig gmail.com> wrote:
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>   I wanted to send out a counter argument to this article claiming that
> cycling (and we can probably infer skating too, though I guess drivers
> are often so surprised to see you on the road, they're likely to give
> you a pretty wide berth) with a helmet is actually "more dangerous":
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm
>
> Check out this report from the NYC DOT on bicycle accidents in the
> city over the past 10 years. Of 225 fatalities, 97% of the riders were
> not wearing helmets, and 74% involved a head injury. Drivers may be
> more reckless around you if you're wearing a helmet (because you look
> more competent or something) -- but you're still at a much higher risk
> of serious injury and death without the helmet.
> www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/episrv/episrv-bike-report.pdf
>
> (One could also conclude from the nycdot's data that nyc is actually a
> pretty safe place to bike comparatively. The accident rate per million
> is the same as 'elsewhere' in the country, while there are twice as
> many cyclists per million out there. (#2 under the 'key findings'
> section))
>
> Bethany
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Thanks for sending that link.&nbsp; I am definitely an advocate of helmets, depsite being the one that posted the link you're referring to...&nbsp; I think the point of the original article was that you *might* be a little less likely to get in an accident if you're not wearing a helmet, since the drivers seemed to give more room when passing.&nbsp; It certainly did not address the issue that if you got in an accident, you're more likely to be seriously injured or killed without a helmet.
<br><br>As a simplistic example, let's say that if you're wearing a helmet, you have a 25% chance of getting in an accident, as opposed to 10% without a helmet.&nbsp; (I'm making these numbers up.)&nbsp; And we'll say that, if in an accident, the chance of brain damage or death is 50% without a helmet, but 10% with.&nbsp; So, combining the probabilities, we have 
2.5% chance of brain damage or death with a helmet, but 5% chance with -- twice as likely according to these probabilities that I pulled out of by backside!&nbsp; (If someone has real numbers to use here, that would be really interesting to see!)
<br><br>I skated for 10 years (recreationally) without a helmet before I had an epiphany and realized how stupid it was.&nbsp; Roadrash and broken bones can heal, but a broken brain is an entirely different problem!<br><br>Of course, there is the website 
<a href="http://www.cyclehelmets.org/">http://www.cyclehelmets.org/</a> that refutes the need for helmets when cycling.&nbsp; I wonder if there are any statistics on overall helmet usage to go with the report you linked to.&nbsp; For example, the statistic about 97% of fatalities involving someone not wearing a helmet could be a bit skewed if the vast majority of cyclists don't wear helmets.&nbsp; 
<br><br>Anyway, this is all great info...&nbsp; It amazes me when I'm skating on the bikepath and I see other skaters wearing every piece of protective gear ever invented -- except a helmet!&nbsp; Not *that's* crazy no matter how you look at it!
<br><br>I'd like to post your email (and this one) as a follow-up to the original blog entry on rsn2, if that's okay with you...&nbsp; That way, the information is there, and search-able for anyone that might stumble onto it.<br>
<br>And, hey, at least being a woman the article says you're less likely to get hit too -- so you'e got that going for you!&nbsp; (Although maybe it doesn't apply for skaters...)&nbsp; <br><br>- Mark<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 9/22/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">bethany soule</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:bsoule &AElig gmail.com">bsoule &AElig gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">









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            <p>I wanted to send out a counter argument to this article claiming that<br>
cycling (and we can probably infer skating too, though I guess drivers<br>
are often so surprised to see you on the road, they're likely to give<br>
you a pretty wide berth) with a helmet is actually &quot;more dangerous&quot;:<br>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm</a><br>
<br>
Check out this report from the NYC DOT on bicycle accidents in the<br>
city over the past 10 years. Of 225 fatalities, 97% of the riders were<br>
not wearing helmets, and 74% involved a head injury. Drivers may be<br>
more reckless around you if you're wearing a helmet (because you look<br>
more competent or something) -- but you're still at a much higher risk<br>
of serious injury and death without the helmet.<br>
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.nyc.gov/</a>html/doh/downloads/pdf/episrv/episrv-bike-report.pdf<br>
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(One could also conclude from the nycdot's data that nyc is actually a<br>
pretty safe place to bike comparatively. The accident rate per million<br>
is the same as 'elsewhere' in the country, while there are twice as<br>
many cyclists per million out there. (#2 under the 'key findings'<br>
section))<br>
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Bethany<br>
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