X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r372567 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k7H6HFnw017685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:17:15 -0400 Received: from galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu (galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.145]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7H6HBWZ005675; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:17:11 -0400 Received: FROM bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.239]) BY galaxyquest.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 44E409E3.41114.14697 ; 17 Aug 2006 02:17:07 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.73]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:17:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:17:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.130.173.212 by BAY109-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:17:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.130.173.212] X-Originating-Email: [erevesz Æ hotmail.com] X-Sender: erevesz Æ hotmail.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44E3E3EC.45877FA5 Æ wayne.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2006 06:17:06.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3507AA0:01C6C1C4] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r372567 (2006-01-26) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:17:05 -0700 To: Andrew Reeves CC: Robert Felty , From: Eva Revesz Subject: Re: "We GAVE Israel nuclear weapons" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 712 Dad et. al., Oops! Sorry about the mix-up with the job letter! I agree, Dad, that we need to keep WMDs out of the hands of despots like Kim Jong Il. So it's a very good thing that the US (with the support of our allies) can now (since the fall of the USSR) dictate who is allowed to have them and who isn't. My point wasn't that I think we shouldn't stop them; my point is simply that we are in a position to stop them and we do. I'm sure you'll counter that it's not the US that's doing the dictating, but rather the rest of the world, i.e. all the other "reasonable" nations that are trying to dictate to a few rogue ones. But then take Russia, which you basically put into the camp of rogue nations when you say "we haven't heard the last of that problem yet." Indeed, if we could send inspection teams over there, I'm sure we would. So I'll concede that we still can't dictate to Russia. And even if they've been a member of the "nuclear club" almost from the beginning, they've always been and still are a member non grata. But you are skirting the issue and haven't answered my question: since you certainly aren't taking the stance that we treat the nations of the world equally with regard to WMDs, why do you have a serious quarrel with the assumption that we've given them to Israel ? Love, Trixie On 8/16/06 8:35 PM, "Andrew Reeves" wrote: > Trixie: > Your idea that the USA "dictate[s] who is allowed to have nuclear > weapons and who isn't" has no historic validity. Those weapons were > first developed in this country with British collaboration, and in the > first few years after the war only these two countries had them. > I think you can take it for granted that the USA would have liked > nothing better than to keep it that way. However, by about 1949 the > Soviet Union developed its own atomic bomb (whether by research of > their own or by spy services is uncertain) and France soon followed > suit. The secret was out (by today's standards, it's scientifically > no big deal, really) and in short order India got it and Pakistan too. > Somewhere around then Israel also developed it, although as Rob pointed > out, they never explicitly admitted that. Thus far, the "nuclear club" > acted responsibly and avoided its use in local skirmishes. The collapse > of the Soviet Union gave the world some anxious moments in this respect > and I am afraid we haven't heard the last of that problem yet--but the > last thing the world should allow to happen is the spreading of this > weaponry to the Ayatollahs of Iran or other crazies like Kim Jong Il. > If you see this as arrogance of the USA then you are quite mixed up, > Trixie--as you were in adding the last paragraph of your job-seeking > letter to your e-mail! --love, Dad >