X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.0-r372567 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k7EJrgnw029894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:53:43 -0400 Received: from ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu (ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.144]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7EJrfm1000407; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:53:41 -0400 Received: FROM edinburgh.eecs.umich.edu (edinburgh.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.27]) BY ghostbusters.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 44E0D4C1.ED9F9.16145 ; 14 Aug 2006 15:53:38 -0400 Received: from edinburgh.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by edinburgh.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7EJrhnC015197 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:53:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (jmickens Æ localhost) by edinburgh.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k7EJrZ5m015134 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:53:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3CE327AF-BB1E-466D-95C9-3F9E6E0F3D89 Æ umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <44DF6DE6.1010203 Æ umich.edu> <3CE327AF-BB1E-466D-95C9-3F9E6E0F3D89 Æ umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r372567 (2006-01-26) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:53:34 -0400 (EDT) To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: James W Mickens Subject: Re: stupid feel-good "no liquids" rule Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 690 > Back to Nate and Danny's ideas. I for one would rather not > have security in airports whatsoever. I would be plenty happy > to take my chances. I don't think that every plane would > suddenly start blowing up. I strongly disagree. By your own analysis, "there are lots of people who hate the U.S." and will do organizations like Hamas "a favor by harming the evil U.S." If this is true, it couldn't possibly be the case that our airplanes would be reasonably safe with no security at our airports. In fact, we can almost be certain that there would be a huge upswing in terrorists attacks, if only because Bin Laden is on the record as saying that he *wants* to hit us again. Every one of the Bin Laden tapes contains ominous warnings about future attacks. He is not being sarcastic. In conjunction with addressing the root causes of terrorism, we have to protect ourselves against the people who already hate us now. We must be realistic about the dangers that face us. The British, American, and Pakistani intelligence agencies just broke up a major terrorist plot against airliners. This is the context for the entire conversation that we're having now. The threat is real. ~j