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To: Matthew Rudary <mrudary &AElig eecs.umich.edu>
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From: Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu>
Subject: Re: climate change
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very useful discussion.  Sounds like pollution rights trading is the right
solution here.

"One way to begin to overcome the opposition to Kyoto from developing
nations, Congress, and the President, would be to start a system of
marketable quotas, for example of CO2 emissions, that would be traded on a
worldwide exchange." -- Gary Becker


--- \/   FROM Matthew Rudary AT 04.12.21 15:10 (Today)   \/ ---

> Becker (a Nobel-prize-winning economist) and Posner (a Circuit Court
> judge) discuss global warming and the Kyoto protocol this week on their
> blog, at http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/
> Interestingly, Posner, who is fairly conservative, supports the US
> signing the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Matt
>
> Daniel Reeves wrote:
> > Thanks Chris.  Those are worth reading.  I once came across a Car and
> > Driver article (someone in the lab taped it to the wall) lambasting global
> > warming research.  I found the premise of the article disgusting:  that
> > there isn't enough proof that the observed climate changes are human
> > influenced.  It's like pooh-poohing getting your brakes checked because
> > not all the mechanics agree that your car is a time bomb and the ones who
> > think it is are using questionable evidence.
> >
> > In other words, even if the actual probability is quite low that the
> > climate changes are human-caused, we still desperately need to act.
> >
> > that's my $0.02.
> >
> > oh, one more thing, since it relates to the AAA debate.  Can't read all
> > that much into this but I just googled around and found an anti kyoto
> > treaty website quoting a AAA publication from 1998 about how "only" 13-17%
> > of scientists believe things like global warming is caused by humans or
> > that there are catastrophic consequences to not reducing greenhouse gases.
> >
> > Actually, aside from that shameful quote from AAA, the website made some
> > seemingly good points about why we shouldn't adopt Kyoto.  Could someone
> > with a clue impart their cluefulness this way?
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > To get on or off the improvetheworld list:
> >  http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/improvetheworld
> >
> >
> > --- \/   FROM Chris Kiekintveld AT 04.12.07 18:00 (Dec 7)   \/ ---
> >
> >
> >>Some fun stuff on slashdot today about global warming:
> >>
> >>First, an article about a study of the last 10 years of
> >>articles published in peer-reviewed science journals about
> >>global warming shows an unusual degree of consensus on
> >>the basic question of global warming:
> >>
> >>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686
> >>
> >>And, a group of geologists presents a pretty clear overview
> >>of the case that "The dangers posed by climate change are no longer
> >>merely possible and long-term. They are probable, imminent, and global
> >>in scope.":
> >>
> >>http://ebulletin.le.ac.uk/features/2000-2009/2004/12/nparticle-vkt-hgf-t4c
> >
> >
>

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