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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu>, improvetheworld &AElig umich.edu
From: Laurie Reeves <laurie.reeves &AElig yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: stupid feel-good "no liquids" rule
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Well Danny, after reading all the replys to this issue so far I would say you have not persuaded me to your argument that such security attempts are useless.  James Mickens, as usual, is very calm, logical, and effective with his argument, which, though expressed so much more eloquently than mine, is essentially the same as mine, i.e., that past, present, and future security attempts at airports (or anywhere else) are necessary and justified, though admittedly far from perfect.  And all the logic, statistics, and probabilities placed aside, when we imagine that perhaps within the week as many as 10 planes full of innocent people may well have been blown out of the sky, in my opinion one does not advocate ignoring such an atrocity and attempt to do nothing.  To address Bethany's point, yes, the broader measures that she notes are necessary to address, i.e. poverty, etc. we should of course address as well.  In the meantime though, I'd like to know that terrorists are not
 given carte blanche to easily walk onto planes and wreak their perverted violence as they desire.  

Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu> wrote:  My mom and I argued about this today. I'm on a plane right now and here 
are my thoughts:

If you wanted to get a liquid on a plane you would just put it in a 
ziplock bag in a square container and that would pass through the x-ray 
without raising an eyebrow, or just leave bottles of stuff right in your 
pockets -- no alarms will go off as you stroll through the metal detector. 
Or print a fake prescription label (they have an exception for 
prescriptions). These measures will foil the terrorists who are 
sophisticated enough to acquire liquid explosives but not sophisticated 
enough to get some liquid through security (something, incidentally, I 
just did without trying). If you still think (this is directed at you, 
Mom) we've got to "at least try", how about this: do brain scans of 
passengers and reject those who are thinking about blowing up a plane. 
Sure, we can't detect that in a brain scan and if we could terrorists 
could circumvent it by thinking about kittens, but my god, we've to to at 
least try!

Thus is my rant. The TSA is stupid.

Danny

PS, seriously, any idiot can get liquids through security. I'm a case in 
point. Oh, and same goes for pocket-knives, to a lesser extent.


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Well Danny, after reading all the replys to this issue so far I would say you have not persuaded me to your argument that such security attempts are useless.&nbsp; James Mickens, as usual, is very calm, logical, and effective with his argument, which, though expressed so much more eloquently than mine, is essentially the same as mine, i.e., that&nbsp;past, present, and future security attempts at airports (or anywhere else) are necessary and justified, though admittedly far from perfect.&nbsp; And all the logic, statistics, and probabilities placed aside, when we imagine that perhaps within the week as many as 10 planes full of innocent people may well have been blown out of the sky, in my opinion one does not advocate ignoring such an atrocity and attempt to do nothing.&nbsp; To address Bethany's point, yes,&nbsp;the broader measures that she notes are necessary to address, i.e. poverty, etc. we should of course address as well.&nbsp; In the meantime though, I'd like to
 know that terrorists are not given carte blanche to easily walk onto planes and wreak their perverted violence as they desire.&nbsp; <BR><BR><B><I>Daniel Reeves &lt;dreeves &AElig umich.edu&gt;</I></B> wrote:  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">My mom and I argued about this today. I'm on a plane right now and here <BR>are my thoughts:<BR><BR>If you wanted to get a liquid on a plane you would just put it in a <BR>ziplock bag in a square container and that would pass through the x-ray <BR>without raising an eyebrow, or just leave bottles of stuff right in your <BR>pockets -- no alarms will go off as you stroll through the metal detector. <BR>Or print a fake prescription label (they have an exception for <BR>prescriptions). These measures will foil the terrorists who are <BR>sophisticated enough to acquire liquid explosives but not sophisticated <BR>enough to get some liquid through security (something, incidentally,
 I <BR>just did without trying). If you still think (this is directed at you, <BR>Mom) we've got to "at least try", how about this: do brain scans of <BR>passengers and reject those who are thinking about blowing up a plane. <BR>Sure, we can't detect that in a brain scan and if we could terrorists <BR>could circumvent it by thinking about kittens, but my god, we've to to at <BR>least try!<BR><BR>Thus is my rant. The TSA is stupid.<BR><BR>Danny<BR><BR>PS, seriously, any idiot can get liquids through security. I'm a case in <BR>point. Oh, and same goes for pocket-knives, to a lesser extent.<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves"<BR><BR>"I'm on a seafood diet -- I see food and I eat it."<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;__________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com 
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