X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.0-r372567 Sender: -1.0 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k21ITVUV011106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:31 -0500 Received: from anniehall.mr.itd.umich.edu (anniehall.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.141]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k21ITTCR019314; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:30 -0500 Received: FROM newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) BY anniehall.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4405E805.30F36.22639 ; 1 Mar 2006 13:29:25 -0500 Received: from kepler.eecs.umich.edu (kepler.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.81]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k21ITLgG019272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:22 -0500 Received: from kepler.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by kepler.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k21ITKpg024639; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (klochner Æ localhost) by kepler.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k21ITKde024636; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <44056A33020000E30001164E Æ SCRNCS1.scrippscollege.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r372567 (2006-01-26) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:29:19 -0500 (EST) To: Daniel Reeves cc: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu, Eva Revesz From: Kevin Lochner Subject: Re: boo to Austria (free speech again) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 403 are we making it illegal to lie? Repulsive - yes, illegal - ? Can we jail bush for lying about his fiscal policies from a position of authority? - kevin On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Daniel Reeves wrote: > I disagree strongly with Trixie's take below. The principle of free speech > is more important. Just because it was a wise move *in this case* does not > mean we want governments to have that kind of control over us. > > This reminds me, again, of fundamentalist Christians in the US who want to > remove the separation of church and state because they happen to be the > majority. > > The principles of freedom of speech and freedom of religion need to be > defended not just when it suits you. They need to be defended on principle. > > Danny > > --- \/ FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:32 (Today) \/ --- > >> I disagree, Danny! I think it was just! Can't have people in positions >> of authority blatantly distorting history like that. That makes it sound >> like the holocaust is a debatable issue. After all, the guy's a history >> professor! I applaud the Austrian courts for being so bold to shut this >> guy up and for forcing him to recant his atrocious position. This is >> especially important in coutnries like Austria, which has long been in >> a silent mode of denial regarding its collaboration with the Nazis. I >> thought it was an important and very positive landmark decision. You >> simply can't have such assholes with doctor titles making holocaust >> denial sound legitimate. Allowing him to continue his teaching career >> would have been a miscarriage of justice to me. >> >> Feel free to post this on your "Improve the World" list. Curious to see >> how the others react -- including you. >> Love, >> Trixie. >> >> >> >>>>> Daniel Reeves >>> >> thanks Trixie! >> >> and, yes, absolutely unjust. You can't jail people for being stupid, >> wrong, or even assholes. You just reminded me to finish sending >> something >> on that topic. did you get it? >> >> --- \/ FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:09 (Today) \/ --- >> >>> Danny, >>> Wow! Your time (4th overall) is really impressive! >>> Congratuations to you and your entire team!!!! >>> Love, >>> Trixie >>> P.S. Sorry if I came off as dismissive regarding the cartoon issue and >>> hope you haven't taken me off your "Improve the World" list. What did >>> you think about the British prof. who was sentenced to 3 years jail in >>> Austria for denying the holocaust? Blatant miscarriage of justice >>> because it so clearly violates freedom of speech? >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Daniel Reeves >>> >>> A team's top 5 times count for the team competition and Ann Arbor >>> Ascension won it! My time wasn't supposed to count for the team since >> I >>> >>> did the elite climb (coming in 4th overall) but my 2nd time up (with >>> Nate >>> Binkert's spot) counted. All our results are below. Congratulations >> to >>> >>> this year's fastest Ann Arbor female climber, Bethany Soule! She >>> trained >>> hard this year and took close to 3 minutes off her time from last year >>> and >>> she was no slouch then. Rebecca Csomos was mere seconds behind her >> this >>> year. Next year should be very exciting with Melanie back (she holds >> the >>> >>> Ann Arbor female course record and is having a baby in May!) and Erica >>> O'Connor (Ann Arbor's top inline skater) and Rebecca and Rachel Rose >>> (whose record is very close to Melanie's) all potential favorites. >>> >>> My dad, per tradition, turned in an impressive time despite injury >>> (completely torn ACL -- surgery March 8th!). Maybe it's because it >> was >>> his birthday.. :) >>> >>> Huge thanks to everyone for racing and fundraising! Hustle up the >>> Hancock >>> was obviously an enormous success for us this year. And this year >> alone >>> >>> we've raised $5464 for the American Lung Association (and counting)! >>> http://www.hustle2006.kintera.org/a3 >>> (donations accepted for I think another a week or so) >>> >>> In other news, if you register for the Athens to Atlanta ultra skate >>> marathon by tomorrow, it's only $50 and you have the option of >>> changing >>> your distance (38, 52, 87 miles) up to the day of the event, Oct 1st. >>> http://www.a2a.net/ >>> Bethany and Kapoo and my dad and I are all signing up together now. >>> Brian Renaud and others have already signed up. >>> Other skating events: >>> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/wb/skatecal >>> >>> >>> Ann Arbor Ascension's Hustle up the Hancock 2006 Results: >>> >>> Place Name Num Ag S City,St Div/Tot Time >>> A3place >>> 4 Danny Reeves 9 30 M Ann Arbor MI 3/452 10:45 1 >>> 11 Matthew Wolpert 858 29 M Portland OR 3/302 11:33 2 >>> 19 Kevin Lochner 856 28 M Ann Arbor MI 5/302 12:00 3 >>> 21 Kelly Sparks 870 33 M Peoria IL 9/452 12:10 4 >>> 22 Danny Reeves (2) 842 30 M Ann Arbor MI 6/302 12:19 >>> 44 Mike Honnold 854 26 M Peoria IL 10/302 13:13 5 >>> 91 Bill Rand 864 30 M Chicago IL 33/452 14:04 6 >>> F33 Bethany Soule 869 24 F Ann Arbor MI 11/369 15:32 7 >>> F1 >>> 234 Michael Weis 851 47/302 15:33 8 >>> 248 Martin Reeves 865 52 M Peoria IL 16/160 15:39 9 >>> F35 Rebecca Csomos 847 26 F Ann Arbor MI 12/369 15:39 10 >>> F2 >>> 273 Mikey Lerman 840 Dearborn MI 57/302 15:51 11 >>> 420 Kate Lockwood's Friend? 850 94/302 16:50 12 >>> 460 Danny Reeves (3) 852 30 M Ann Arbor MI 16:59 >>> 476 Mikey Lerman (2) 841 Dearborn MI 17:03 >>> 481 Chris Davis 848 30 M Ann Arbor MI 136/452 17:04 13 >>> F96 Bethany Soule (2) 845 24 F Ann Arbor MI 33/369 17:09 >>> 522 Dave Morris 862 32 M Ann Arbor MI 147/452 17:15 14 >>> F119 Rachel Rose 868 23 F Ann Arbor MI 42/369 17:35 15 >>> F3 >>> 602 Chris Kiekintveld 872 M Ann Arbor MI 17:43 16 >>> 612 Mark Carpenter 844 44 M WhiteLake MI 124/360 17:45 17 >>> 681 Brian Healey 849 M 18:05 18 >>> 867 Ian Moore 861 29 M Ann Arbor MI 163/302 18:57 19 >>> 1162 Kevin Holt 853 29 M Ann Arbor MI 190/302 20:21 20 >>> F358 Kate Lockwood 857 28 F Ann Arbor MI 128/369 20:35 21 >>> F4 >>> F443 Chris (Kapoo) Kapusky 855 27 F Ann Arbor MI 162/369 21:45 22 >>> F5 >>> F515 Rosie McGinnis 860 17 F Ann Arbor MI 16/39 22:31 23 >>> F6 >>> 1696 Steven Reeves 866 20 M Peoria IL 242/302 23:51 24 >>> F810 Erin Evans 871 17 F Atlanta GA 295/369 27:35 25 >>> F7 >>> F866 Laurie Reeves 867 50 F Ann Arbor MI 41/58 29:15 26 >>> F8 >>> F880 Mary Bricklin 843 18 F Ann Arbor MI 31/39 29:40 27 >>> F9 >>> F882 Monica Christy 846 23 F Peoria IL 320/369 29:43 28 >>> F10 >>> >>> Who are these people from Ann Arbor but not on Ann Arbor Ascension?? >>> 195 Kneisel Mark 2408 39 M Ann Arbor MI 66/452 >> 15:15 >>> 437 Douglas Kremer 2134 23 M Ann Arbor MI 96/302 >> 16:54 >>> Lisa Scheiman 2409 45 F Ann Arbor MI 18/227 >> 17:07 >>> Jill Branam 2872 22 F Ann Arbor MI 261/36 >> 25:05 >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - search://"Daniel Reeves" > > "Engineers think of their equations as approximating reality. > Scientists think of reality as approximating their equations. > Mathematicians don't care." >