I disagree strongly with Trixie's take below.  The principle of free 
speech is more important.  Just because it was a wise move *in this case* 
does not mean we want governments to have that kind of control over us.

This reminds me, again, of fundamentalist Christians in the US who want to 
remove the separation of church and state because they happen to be the 
majority.

The principles of freedom of speech and freedom of religion need to be 
defended not just when it suits you.  They need to be defended on 
principle.

Danny

--- \/	 FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:32 (Today)   \/ ---

> I disagree, Danny! I think it was just! Can't have people in positions
> of authority blatantly distorting history like that. That makes it sound
> like the holocaust is a debatable issue. After all, the guy's a history
> professor! I applaud the Austrian courts for being so bold to shut this
> guy  up and for forcing him to recant his atrocious position. This is
> especially important in coutnries like  Austria, which has long been in
> a silent mode of denial regarding its collaboration with the Nazis. I
> thought it was an important and very positive landmark decision. You
> simply can't have such assholes with doctor titles making holocaust
> denial sound legitimate. Allowing him to continue his teaching career
> would have been a miscarriage of justice to me.
>
> Feel free to post this on your "Improve the World" list. Curious to see
> how the others react -- including you.
> Love,
> Trixie.
>
>
>
>>>> Daniel Reeves    >>>
> thanks Trixie!
>
> and, yes, absolutely unjust.	You can't jail people for being stupid,
> wrong, or even assholes.  You just reminded me to finish sending
> something
> on that topic.  did you get it?
>
> --- \/   FROM Eva Revesz AT 06.03.01 09:09 (Today)   \/ ---
>
>> Danny,
>> Wow! Your time (4th overall) is really impressive!
>> Congratuations to you and your entire team!!!!
>> Love,
>> Trixie
>> P.S. Sorry if I came off as dismissive regarding the cartoon issue and
>> hope you haven't taken me off your  "Improve the World" list. What did
>> you think about the British prof. who was sentenced to 3 years jail in
>> Austria for denying the holocaust? Blatant miscarriage of justice
>> because it so clearly violates freedom of speech?
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Daniel Reeves    >>>
>> A team's top 5 times count for the team competition and Ann Arbor
>> Ascension won it!  My time wasn't supposed to count for the team since
> I
>>
>> did the elite climb (coming in 4th overall) but my 2nd time up (with
>> Nate
>> Binkert's spot) counted.  All our results are below.  Congratulations
> to
>>
>> this year's fastest Ann Arbor female climber, Bethany Soule!  She
>> trained
>> hard this year and took close to 3 minutes off her time from last year
>> and
>> she was no slouch then. Rebecca Csomos was mere seconds behind her
> this
>> year. Next year should be very exciting with Melanie back (she holds
> the
>>
>> Ann Arbor female course record and is having a baby in May!) and Erica
>> O'Connor (Ann Arbor's top inline skater) and Rebecca and Rachel Rose
>> (whose record is very close to Melanie's) all potential favorites.
>>
>> My dad, per tradition, turned in an impressive time despite injury
>> (completely torn ACL -- surgery March 8th!).  Maybe it's because it
> was
>> his birthday.. :)
>>
>> Huge thanks to everyone for racing and fundraising! Hustle up the
>> Hancock
>> was obviously an enormous success for us this year.	And this year
> alone
>>
>> we've raised $5464 for the American Lung Association (and counting)!
>>   http://www.hustle2006.kintera.org/a3
>>     (donations accepted for I think another a week or so)
>>
>>  In other news, if you register for the Athens to Atlanta ultra skate
>>  marathon by tomorrow, it's only $50 and you have the option of
>> changing
>>  your distance (38, 52, 87 miles) up to the day of the event, Oct 1st.
>>   http://www.a2a.net/
>>  Bethany and Kapoo and my dad and I are all signing up together now.
>>  Brian Renaud and others have already signed up.
>>   Other skating events:
>>     http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves/wb/skatecal
>>
>>
>> Ann Arbor Ascension's Hustle up the Hancock 2006 Results:
>>
>> Place Name			 Num Ag S City,St      Div/Tot	Time
>> A3place
>>     4 Danny Reeves		   9 30 M Ann Arbor MI 3/452   10:45   1
>>    11 Matthew Wolpert	 858 29 M Portland OR  3/302   11:33   2
>>    19 Kevin Lochner		 856 28 M Ann Arbor MI 5/302   12:00   3
>>    21 Kelly Sparks		 870 33 M Peoria IL    9/452   12:10   4
>>    22 Danny Reeves (2)	 842 30 M Ann Arbor MI 6/302   12:19
>>    44 Mike Honnold		 854 26 M Peoria IL    10/302  13:13   5
>>    91 Bill Rand		 864 30 M Chicago IL   33/452  14:04   6
>>   F33 Bethany Soule		 869 24 F Ann Arbor MI 11/369  15:32   7
>> F1
>>   234 Michael Weis		 851		       47/302  15:33   8
>>   248 Martin Reeves		 865 52 M Peoria IL    16/160  15:39   9
>>   F35 Rebecca Csomos 	 847 26 F Ann Arbor MI 12/369  15:39  10
>> F2
>>   273 Mikey Lerman		 840	  Dearborn MI  57/302  15:51  11
>>   420 Kate Lockwood's Friend? 850		       94/302  16:50  12
>>   460 Danny Reeves (3)	 852 30 M Ann Arbor MI	       16:59
>>   476 Mikey Lerman (2)	 841	  Dearborn MI	       17:03
>>   481 Chris Davis		 848 30 M Ann Arbor MI 136/452 17:04  13
>>   F96 Bethany Soule (2)	 845 24 F Ann Arbor MI	33/369 17:09
>>   522 Dave Morris		 862 32 M Ann Arbor MI 147/452 17:15  14
>>  F119 Rachel Rose		 868 23 F Ann Arbor MI	42/369 17:35  15
>> F3
>>   602 Chris Kiekintveld	 872	M Ann Arbor MI	       17:43  16
>>   612 Mark Carpenter 	 844 44 M WhiteLake MI 124/360 17:45  17
>>   681 Brian Healey		 849	M		       18:05  18
>>   867 Ian Moore		 861 29 M Ann Arbor MI 163/302 18:57  19
>>  1162 Kevin Holt		 853 29 M Ann Arbor MI 190/302 20:21  20
>>  F358 Kate Lockwood		 857 28 F Ann Arbor MI 128/369 20:35  21
>> F4
>>  F443 Chris (Kapoo) Kapusky	 855 27 F Ann Arbor MI 162/369 21:45  22
>> F5
>>  F515 Rosie McGinnis 	 860 17 F Ann Arbor MI	16/39  22:31  23
>> F6
>>  1696 Steven Reeves		 866 20 M Peoria IL    242/302 23:51  24
>>  F810 Erin Evans		 871 17 F Atlanta GA   295/369 27:35  25
>> F7
>>  F866 Laurie Reeves		 867 50 F Ann Arbor MI	41/58  29:15  26
>> F8
>>  F880 Mary Bricklin		 843 18 F Ann Arbor MI	31/39  29:40  27
>> F9
>>  F882 Monica Christy 	 846 23 F Peoria IL    320/369 29:43  28
>> F10
>>
>> Who are these people from Ann Arbor but not on Ann Arbor Ascension??
>>   195 Kneisel Mark		2408 39 M Ann Arbor    MI  66/452
> 15:15
>>   437 Douglas Kremer 	2134 23 M Ann Arbor    MI  96/302
> 16:54
>>	 Lisa Scheiman		2409 45 F Ann Arbor    MI  18/227
> 17:07
>>	 Jill Branam		2872 22 F Ann Arbor    MI  261/36
> 25:05
>>
>>
>
>

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