X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j97Hp37E012571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:51:04 -0400 Received: from workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu (workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.143]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j97Hp2am027127; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:51:02 -0400 Received: FROM beyondborders.mr.itd.umich.edu (beyondborders.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.146]) BY workinggirl.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4346B585.11D3B.12128 ; 7 Oct 2005 13:51:01 -0400 Received: from [141.212.196.107] (thecat.engin.umich.edu [141.212.196.107]) by beyondborders.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp) with ESMTP id j97Hp0Np020450 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:51:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4345CA6B.758FA5C5 Æ wayne.edu> References: <57f1bcf9e8c721f1618af727e222b935 Æ umich.edu> <1b4e773905092708261fee093 Æ mail.gmail.com> <1acf35a70510051647x3ff95ebcwe1c7713acbe8c0de Æ mail.gmail.com> <4345CA6B.758FA5C5 Æ wayne.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9103a907f866dad8f2626093694d8739 Æ umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:51:03 -0400 To: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: "David Morris, PhD" Subject: Re: NYtimes article: Many women at elite colleges set career path to Motherhood Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 217 > The basis of our present > societal structure, which our beloved President would no doubt call > "the nucular family" does have some historic roots going back a few > hundred thousand years, and I am not totally convinced that its origins > were entirely dependent on our brutish and club-wielding male ancestors > ramming it down the throats of their unwilling mates. The fact that > females get pregnant, give birth to babies and nurse them, while males > are more muscular, more aggressive, can go out and bring home the bacon > more successfully, does have some character-forming consequences which > did get built into the human genome over the millennia. I would certainly agree with this. I think our stereotypes do exist for a reason and that in many cases that is perfectly valid. But I would also argue that just like we don't let ourselves be ruled by our innate evolutionarily built in tendencies such as greed and violence, even though they are quite natural and there for good evolutionary reasons, that we also consider going against our innate tendencies of stereotypical roles in parenting and careers. We are in a day and age where the reasons for which those those tendencies were built in are now almost universally obsolete. Like our ability to overcome our animal natures in other regards has provided a clear benefit in a stable civilization (okay, we're still working at it, but we're getting there), allowing women and men to break out of their default gender roles, even if they are evolutionarily programmed in, may in many cases provide benefits, some of which we may not yet even be aware of as fixed in those roles as we are, that exceed the costs of going against our natures in this regard. In all of these things, including violence and greed as well as desire to parent or work, I'd argue that as a society and as individuals we need to constantly balance between our base natures and alternate natures which we can rationally choose, and constantly adjust how much of our base natures, and how much of and which alternate natures, we allow ourselves to be. I think there are aspects where we've already gone too far in getting away from our base natures, though that's another discussion. We should be continually striving to improve our understanding of ourselves and adjusting accordingly. I'd certainly draw the line in favor of our base natures well before any sort of uniformly applied chemical or genetic modification of personalities and physiques, as tempted as I have been from time to time to support introducing birth control into the water supply. :-) I'm more in favor of self-imposed modifications. Dave