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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:18:45 -0400 (EDT)
To: yvorobey &AElig umich.edu
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From: Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu>
Subject: Re: devotion to islam linked to support of terrorism
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> good points!  and glad to have someone's take on it who actually read the
> article.

(which did not include me, just to be clear; and in case anyone read the
wrong tone into that)

I think a great thing about improvetheworld is our esteem for the whole
truth, looking at issues deeply, etc.


> (about subject line, yes, it was kind of meant to mock the study's
> disingenuous headline)
>
> --- \/   FROM yvorobey &AElig umich.edu AT 05.06.23 13:20 (Today)   \/ ---
>
> > More than the number of anti-bombing mullahs.  My suspicion after reading the
> > article, though, is that the correlation in Palestine is quite strong.  I do
> > agree with Danny that the headline was quite misleading, as was, of
> > course, his
> > subject line...  The study really only focused on one indicator of private
> > worship (frequency of prayers) and one indicator of public worship (frequency
> > of mosque attendance). I get the impression from reading a variety of sources
> > that mullahs in the PA (palestinian authority) range between
> > "understanding" to
> > openly supportive of terrorism, though few may actually recruit people for it.
> > The story would certainly be different in a place like Ann Arbor, though,
> > again, I get the impression that there are not very many tears shed over
> > innocent Israelis dying in terrorist attacks.
> >
> > In any case, the important distinction made in the study between public and
> > private worship does make the results much clearer (and fills me with some
> > optimism). Particularly, it does empirically reinforce (for me) something I've
> > already believed: that Mulsim religious leaders are a significant part of the
> > problem. Of course, all the obvious qualifications of this statement
> > apply. But
> > it also means that if those religious leaders who oppose it become more
> > outspoken and more numerous, the balance may well shift, and shift quickly.
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> > Quoting Kevin Lochner <klochner &AElig eecs.umich.edu>:
> >
> > > how many pro-bombing mullah's would it really take to effect a positive
> > > correlation?
> > >
> > > - kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
> > > -- G.W. Bush, --Reuters, May 5, 2000 (Thanks to Allison Fansler.)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Erica O'Connor wrote:
> > >
> > >> Given that this study is even ligitimate, sounds like
> > >> it found something not all that surprising, namely,
> > >> sitting around the house being devout isn't as
> > >> inspiring to a would-be-suicide-terrorist-supporter as
> > >> going to a big religious gathering of like-minded
> > >> individuals every day.
> > >> -Erica
> > >> Quote included to to please Daniel anyway:
> > >> "Man will not be free until the last king is strangled
> > >> with the entrails of the last priest."
> > >> -by I forget who, Diderot?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Daniel Reeves <dreeves &AElig umich.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'm not thinking about much else but thesis for next
> > >> > several weeks but
> > >> > this just struck me as amusing.  My (cynical) take
> > >> > is that a study linked
> > >> > religiosity to terrorism and then they decided that
> > >> > wasn't so PC so they
> > >> > found some obscure religiosity metric that they
> > >> > failed to correlate with
> > >> > terrorism and used that as the headline to make it
> > >> > sound like they found
> > >> > the opposite of what they really found.  Or more
> > >> > likely the whole study's
> > >> > just BS.  Ok, I'm going back in my hole now.
> > >> >
> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >> > From: U-M News Service
> > >> > <dev.ARO.MichToday.emailreturn &AElig umich.edu>
> > >> > Subject: Michigan Today NewsE - June 2005
> > >> >
> > >> > UofM News
> > >> >
> > >> > If you have trouble reading this email please visit:
> > >> > http://www.umich.edu/NewsE/ June 2005
> > >> >
> > >> > ...
> > >> >
> > >> > Personal devotion to Islam is unrelated to support
> > >> > for suicide bombing
> > >> > among Palestinian Muslims, according to a study at
> > >> > the Institute for
> > >> > Social Research. But the more often Muslims attended
> > >> > mosques, the more
> > >> > likely they were to support suicide terrorism.
> > >> > (Islamic text image, from
> > >> > U-M Museum of Art.)
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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