X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Sender: -2.6 (spamval) -- NONE Return-Path: Received: from newman.eecs.umich.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19OS3Ih2A0KQMKCukDNwRPKFSl5VCO7pBU Æ newman.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.11]) by boston.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3L3ixlj002853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:44:59 -0400 Received: from neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu (neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.141]) by newman.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.2/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j3L3acQZ006638; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:36:38 -0400 Received: FROM rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) BY neartoearth.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 426721B4.49506.10252 ; 20 Apr 2005 23:44:52 -0400 Received: from wayne.edu (pcp03672408pcs.grosep01.mi.comcast.net[68.40.104.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005042103445101500f70die>; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:44:51 +0000 Message-ID: <42672189.261582EC Æ wayne.edu> Organization: Wayne State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on newman.eecs.umich.edu X-Virus-Scan: : UVSCAN at UoM/EECS Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:44:09 -0400 To: Daniel Reeves CC: improvetheworld Æ umich.edu From: Andrew Reeves Subject: Re: catholicism must be crushed Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 Danny: I think your animosity is ill-advised; I certainly oppose very strongly any attempt at "crushing" (whatever that means) because it would only cause the "circling of the wagons" by the faithful. Catholicism must be allowed to die peacefully, and it is my serious opinion that you and your generation will live to see that happening if you only leave it alone and let it expire by the weight of its own internal absurdities and prevarications. The election of Ratzinger was in my opinion an excellent step because it will only accelerate this process. I was actually trembling that they might elect a "moderate" Pope who would make concessions with the superficial problems such as celibacy (closely associated with priestly pedophilia) exclusion of females, and so forth which would keep the simpletons happy and thereby add a few decades to the moribund agonies of the church. In the meantime, of course, the core problems (tri-une God, Virgin Birth, transubstantiation) would remain untouched. Seeing that this is not what happened (and how promptly!) almost makes me believe in the Holy Spirit! To answer your questions: All militant religions are equally evil; Islam has in our time a slight edge because it blows up buildings which Catholicism has outgrown. I don't begrudge any cleric to think that his religion is the only true one and all the others are false; history shows that the smaller the difference the hotter the fury. Remember the "one iota" difference (homousion vs. homoiusion) between the Anathasians and Arians at the Council of Nicea? 50,000 people were massacred in one night which was quite a feat in the 4th century. Given the advances in weaponry even Osama has a lot to learn. --Grandpa Andrew Daniel Reeves wrote: > > Seriously, is there a greater force of evil in the world than the > catholic church? > > Couple blurbs from CNN about the new anti-gay, anti-feminist, > anti-contraception, anti-catholicity pope: > > Ratzinger has said modernity led to a blurring of sexual identity, > causing some feminists to become adversaries of men. He labeled > homosexuality "an intrinsic moral evil." > > He argued that Muslim Turkey did not belong in Christian Europe and > issued a document saying that Catholicism was the only true religion, > questioning the validity of other religions, even Christian ones, even > as his Pope John Paul II was trying to reach out to other faiths. > > -- > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/dreeves - - google://"Daniel Reeves"